One-Pocket Situation #2

Sorry, the first diagram was screwed up. Had to use the new Cuetable for some reason.
 
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I still like shooting the 5 into the right side of the 8 and leaving the CB on the 2. Its easier now that the balls are off the rail a little.
 
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ShaneT58 said:
How about barely hitting the 5 on the right pretty firm and trying to stop the CB frozen to the 2.
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Sorry Shane, my browser started flaking out on me and the first diagram I posted was incorrect. Check out the second one; you'll probably find a better option in that one.

Oh, and if you wouldn't mind, please remove the diagram from your post so others won't get confused. I would appreciate it.

Aaron
 
I would bank the 7 to my hole using top left. The focus on this shot is cue ball control in that you want to leave the ball as far down on the opponents long rail as possible. This makes his pocketing of the 1 a bad shot for your opponent as he would only be able to get one, but sell out the game on a miss. He would probably respond by trying the 6/3 bank clearing out all of your threats, but that all depends on where the 7 lands. You would also be surprised at how easy this bank is. My greatest flaw is my banking abilities (as in I just plain suck) and I still make this one more than half the time even when having to elevate off the rail.

Any shots involving tickies or small movement of the cue ball off the 5/2 are just too risky. Even if you leave your opponent in a position where they do not have a shot, they will have a lot of options to make life even worse for you.

In the end, it is always a good idea to go for your hole if the penalties are acceptable. By banking the 7, you give yourself a chance to win rather than trying to prevent yourself from losing.
 
I like shooting the 5 into the 8 to knock the 8 out of there (possibly knocking the 1 out too), stopping the cueball under the 2. This has the advantage of knocking out the 8 and possibly the 1 and is fairly easy to execute.
(EDIT: Just read ShaneT58's response. Guess we think alike! :p)
 
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Samiel said:
I like shooting the 5 into the 8 to knock the 8 out of there (possibly knocking the 1 out too), stopping the cueball under the 2. This has the advantage of knocking out the 8 and possibly the 1 and is fairly easy to execute.
(EDIT: Just read ShaneT58's response. Guess we think alike! :p)
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I was thinking the same, but you know the 8 skims the 1 and he can then cut it in, right?:rolleyes: :o
 
I'd hit the 5 firm, with just enough angle to about 1/2 the 8 ball, kicking both up table, leaving the cue right around the area where the five is, below the 2...
 
Black-Balled said:
I was thinking the same, but you know the 8 skims the 1 and he can then cut it in, right?:rolleyes: :o
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Maybe that was sarcasm but it looks like to me you can hit it so the 8 comes out past the 1 without touching it.
 
a better question is what would efren do? I think he would bank the 6 one rail at his hole with top right hand english sending the cue ball three rails and ending up frozen on the back of the 8
 
Look hard, folks. There is a high % move that is virtually guaranteed to get you out of this trap, but it does require some creativity (or at least having seen the shot before, lol).

Aaron
 
Aaron_S said:
Look hard, folks. There is a high % move that is virtually guaranteed to get you out of this trap, but it does require some creativity (or at least having seen the shot before, lol).

Aaron
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Aaron,

Don't spill the beans for a few hours. I am on my Mac, and can't see your diagram. I'll check it later. Just a helpful hint.. Whether you do these diagrams on the new or old cuetable, try doing a print screen after you have the diagram, then copying and editing the layout for viewability in Paint, then posting the jpeg. Everyone can see a jpeg, no matter what type of computer they are on. :D You cn post the cuetable.com link for those who want to diagram their shot, and upload the jpeg below it..

Russ
 
For those that are aggressive, just shoot the 2 into the 1 as if you were trying to bank the 1 to your hole, making sure to overcut it as the 1 looks close to frozen. The 1 banks over to your side maybe hitting the 5 (good things can happen), the 2 goes away uptable and the cueball goes to the side rail with some highball.
Trick is to not waffle it and hit it so hard that the 2 three rails and gets underneath the cueball so that you've sold out a shot, or the 1 double banks right back to the hole to sell out as well.

For those that aren't aggressive.

TAKE A FOUL!

Easier to gauge if you use the 15 as a ball to slow down, but...

Just roll the cueball into the 15 like you were trying to play safe and try to freeze to the 4 ball.

The more vertical you get or just a little past, the better.

Once that is done, you spot a ball, and basically almost freeze it to the cue ball, and now they have to do something from there cause they can't see the 8 Or the 1. If you manage to get it a little past the spot line, your in better shape as anything less of that, they will be able to put you right back where you are.

Or for those more daring, just fire the 4 away, and REPLACE it with the cue ball going a little forward with it to achieve the same exact affect, but being on the rail almost completely takes this shot out of play as it is very difficult to judge jacked up.

As for that whole 5 into the 8 knocking them away shot, the 1 looms large and might stop the 8 ball and make it WORSE for you if you don't manage to freeze them up to the 2 ball.
 
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Russ Chewning said:
Aaron,

Don't spill the beans for a few hours. I am on my Mac, and can't see your diagram. I'll check it later. Just a helpful hint.. Whether you do these diagrams on the new or old cuetable, try doing a print screen after you have the diagram, then copying and editing the layout for viewability in Paint, then posting the jpeg. Everyone can see a jpeg, no matter what type of computer they are on. :D You cn post the cuetable.com link for those who want to diagram their shot, and upload the jpeg below it..

Russ
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Good suggestion Russ. There should be an image attached to my initial post now... hopefully.

Aaron
 
Do it like this!
 

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SUPERSTAR said:
Do it like this!
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Thanks Aaron and Superstar.. I like Superstar's choice. This takes a super accurate hit, because if you hit the 8 ball coming back through, it might bank off the top rail, selling out a shot.

This sort of move is definitely one you should practice. It'll get you out of some horrible situations..


Russ
 
this may sound crazy , but....even though the one is frozen , shoot the 2 into the 1 and follow the cueball over to the rail ?
 
The key is to not undercut it and get a double kiss. That is the WORST thing that can happen IMO.

Even if you DO overcut it and it glances off the top of the 8, if you have good speed, it still won't come back to haunt you.

The key to it all is avoid the double kiss on the 1 and 2 balls, and speed control.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
The key is to not undercut it and get a double kiss. That is the WORST thing that can happen IMO.

Even if you DO overcut it and it glances off the top of the 8, if you have good speed, it still won't come back to haunt you.

The key to it all is avoid the double kiss on the 1 and 2 balls, and speed control.
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Yah, that's why this shot requires practice.. You have a small target, that being the angle between getting a kiss, and avoiding the 8 to get the best result (moving a ball closer to your side.).

Looking at the shot again, you're right, hitting at medium speed and rubbing the 8 won't give up anything. Also, hit at that speed, the 1 will induce some contact induced friction on the 2, causing it to come off the rail at a sharper angle even if you catch the 2 thin, as long as the 1 ball is going slow enough...

It requires practice, and you have to be real accurate to get the best results, but it's definitely the right shot!

Russ
 
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