One Pocket.

Cool story Lou.

I wonder how the big names feel when they run into a cupcake* that is punching above their weight?





* No disrespect meant, just stating how they'd see it.
 
Holy S**t, that was one of the best pool stories ever. Lou is the man. I had no idea.
When does betting start?
 
Jerry Forsyth said:
OK, some of you have written asking me why Barton's threads keep getting taken down. **And the reason is that there are a number of you who come in and turn them venomous. So in this thread I am going to try and monitor the posts and just erase the ones that offer nothing to the thread except for character assassination. I have removed 7 or 8 posts just now.
.....I have no intention of editing this stuff line for line.
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Jerry, I can certainly understand your position re; 'policing' these forums... I'm not sure, (as I don't track them that carefully) but I believe you may have removed one of my posts in this thread..I don't remember its content, but I am sure it was not because of any 'off color' attachments or profanity !

Just to clarify your second **sentence, are you saying John Barton himself, cannot be 'venomous' and very prone to starting his own brand of endless animosity ? He and Lou F. have had a running verbal battle going on, since day one ! His ongoing comments (re; Lou) do not 'border on'...They ARE insulting, and carefully worded character assasinations !

This almost always leads to him insulting anyone (such as myself) who happens to take Lou's side, on anything ! Surely you are not saying John has not been warned of such abhorent conduct, many times in the past ?..Lou has chosen to remain silent, regarding their upcoming match, so I have (at times) engaged in a verbal fisticuffs with John.

It is usually semi-good natured in content, but at times can get pretty heated. Jerry, if you feel that "I" am the troublemaker in these exchanges, just say so !..I will be glad to step aside, and let his boorish behavior dominate the forum, as it has ever since he joined !

Sincerely;

Dick McMorran

PS..John is approaching 20,000 posts...I would really like to know, the ratio of 'informative', as opposed to 'argumentative and disruptive' ! :frown:

 
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SJDinPHX said:
Jerry, I can certainly understand your position re; 'policing' these forums. I'm not sure, (as I don't track them that carefully) but I believe you may have removed one of my posts in this thread..I don't remember its content, but I am sure it was not because of any 'off color' attachments.

Just to clarify your second **sentence, are you saying John Barton himself, cannot be 'venomous' and very prone to starting his own brand of endless animosity ? He and Lou F. have had a running verbal battle going on, since day one ! His ongoing comments (re; Lou) do not 'border on'...They ARE insulting, and carefully worded character assasinations !

This almost always leads to him insulting anyone (such as myself) who happens to take Lou's side, on anything ! Surely you are not saying John has not been warned of such abhorent conduct, many times in the past ?..Lou has chosen to remain silent, regarding their upcoming match, so I have (at times) engaged in a verbal fisticuffs with John.

It is usually semi-good natured in content, but at times can get pretty heated. If you feel that I am the "troublemaker" in these exchanges, just say so ! I can easily quit, and let his boorish behavior dominate the forum, as it has ever since he joined !

Sincerely;

Dick McMorran

PS..John is approaching 20,000 posts...I would really like to know, the ratio of 'informative', as opposed to 'argumentative and disruptive' ! :frown:
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This post right here...^^^^...needs to be removed. Your "PS" is nothing but an attack. Just let it go. After all, the ONLY people who have anything riding on this are John, Lou, and Lou's "backers". http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=345693
 
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Dick,

I never excluded John and his posts have been deleted along with yours and several others. Threads are for conversation, let's just keep them that way.

Jerry
 
easy-e said:
This post right here...^^^^...needs to be removed. Your "PS" is nothing but an attack. Just let it go. After all, the ONLY people who have anything riding on this are John, Lou, and Lou's "backers". http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=345693
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I did not see John's new thread, before I posted mine...But I am curious..What is YOUR interest in seeing my post deleted ???...I spoke nothing but the truth...Your 'hero' is just proving my observations were correct !
 
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I did not see John's new thread, before I posted mine...But I am curious..What is YOUR interest in seeing my post deleted ???...I spoke nothing but the truth...Your 'hero' is just showing his ass AGAIN !

PS..No surprise there ! :sorry:
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A) He is not my hero, never even met him.

B) Your new post is even more of an attack than your last, and should be deleted as well.

C) My interest in seeing your post(s) deleted is because a moderator was kind enough to actually explain WHAT he is doing and WHY he is doing it. He was very clear, and you still cannot help yourself when it comes to insulting John Barton.

If any of the above confuses you, kindly point out which part and I will be glad to elaborate further.
 
lfigueroa said:
I want to make a couple of things perfectly clear: Lou has beaten virtually no one. I go to big events because I can and have a ball. Occasionally I beat a champion or road player like Larry Nevel (right after he had won the US Open), or Piggy Banks, or Ike Runnels, or Mark Jarvis, Ted Harris or even a Mark Wilson. But I always go to these events with the knowledge I am dead money and more than once I have said, "I'm going to ___________ to donate to the pro pool player retirement fund." Anyone who has read my stuff for the last 15 years knows this.

So for me it is the thrill of competing and sometimes taking a game off a Chris Gentile, or a couple off Warren Kiamco. It is playing Dallas West and having him shake my hand after our match and saying, "I really like your game." Or losing to Leil Gay hill-hill and him saying, "You should have won. You were the better player." Over the years I have had the chance to play a who's who of 1pocket champions from Scott Frost, to Francisco, Jose, Cliff, Martinez, Hall, Cook, McCready, Appleton, and on and on.

How cool is that?!

And over those last 15 years, from each and every one of the greats and near greats, and not so greats, I have taken away a little something to add to my own game, my tool box, my arsenal. It is about the journey and most times the trip is very, very cool. This is from a trip report from the 2000 US Open 1pocket Tournament, up in Kalamazoo, picking it up on day two of the event.

(insert flashback music):

Saturday morning I headed over to the Playground and just tried to get my mind set before my match with, arguably, the greatest all around pool player of all time. When I got to the tournament room, the line was: you could bet either way, whether I'd get to one. I decided that that's what I'd shoot for: to take one game off Efren Reyes. I'd told AllenB, the night before, that I would really appreciate it if he could snap a photo of me lagging with Efren, to prove to future generations that this match had actually taken place. Alan said no problem, and, a man of his word, was there setup in time with his camera and tripod to capture the moment and has already sent me the photo.

Well, we were put on table two, right in front of the largest section of bleachers and they were packed. Everyone wanted to see Efren play. I was just along for the ride. I put down a good lag, but Efren put the ball within an inch of the rail. I looked at my watch. It was one o'clock.

The first game did not go well, for me. He broke the balls well, and I was under the gun the entire game. When he didn't have a shot, he'd gently spin the cue ball one or two rails and snuggle it up against a ball. I, and the crowd, laughed out loud at the positions he'd put me in. I lost the first game 8-0. It was while I was racking the balls to break (it was a rack your own tournament) that the dawning realization came upon me that it was quite possible that, not only could I lose the match 4-0, I could, conceivably: lose the match against a player of this caliber WITHOUT SCORING A SINGLE BALL. Oh, the humiliation. What do you tell the guys back at the pool hall? What will everyone back on RSB think? That you got a chance to play Efren Reyes and didn't score a single ball!!?? Suddenly, not only did my goal of winning one game seem like the only way to maintain my dignity and salvage the honor of RSB, but it also seemed a goal that was now, on further reflection, very, very far away.

I broke well the second game. Shortly after the break, he left me frozen on the side rail just above my pocket. I looked at the rack for a long time. There was an unfrozen three ball combination that just might go. But the only way to hit it right was to send the cue ball into a fourth ball and then have it carom into the third ball in the combination chain. I'd have to hit it at warp speed to get enough energy on the shot to get the last ball in the combination to the pocket. If it didn't go, I was toast, because the stack was going to explode.

IMO, one of the more beautiful shots in pool is when a cluster of balls is stuck hard and the object ball eventually emerges from the stack and slowly begins marching towards it's assigned pocket. Despite shooting with brio, the two ball virtually crawled towards it's destination with total mayhem all around it. As I watched the shot, it seemed as if all the other object balls, and the cue ball, were moving and every single one of them wanted to kiss out the two ball. But somehow it made it safe and sound to its destination. The ball dropped. The crowd burst into applause.

Still, the balls were spread too wide for me to get out. As the game progressed, we got to the point at which I needed two and Efren needed one. And then, something began to become apparent to me, and then to everyone in the stands, and eventually to Efren: Lou was banking well today. Real well. Well, actually, I started banking like god.

Efren kissed into a shot and sold out the last two balls. A modest cut shot with moderately difficult position on the out ball. I missed. All I could hear in the stands were muttered, "Well, he had a chance..." A few innings later, I missed a thin hit to play safe and had to spot a ball. Now I needed three. But then it happened. I banked three and out to take the second game. The monkey was off my back.

Efren took the next game. Twice he tied me up so bad that my only option was to kick three rails and then two rails for an intentional scratch. But I pulled both of them off. The crowd started applauding my shots and the increasingly ridiculous accuracy and consistency of my bank shots.

I took the fourth game 8-0 to tie it up at 2-2. The fifth game we went down to the last three balls, all down table on the side rail just below the side pocket on his side. I needed all three and went for the home run: a carom and combination bank that would send two towards my hole and the third up table to my side. The shot went kaablewwweee, and left Efren straight in. Nonetheless, my banks continued to go, as if on wires.

The last game was another battle, but he was just too strong. I lose 4-2. I looked at my watch, it was 3:30. I had just wrestled with Efren Reyes, in a race to four, for two and a half hours and taken two games off him. I swear I'm not making this up, but during the match Buddy Hall was playing on one side of us, Steve Cook on the other, and during the course of the match I got at least six rounds of applause from the crowd for my bank shots. There was not one round of applause for Hall, Cook, or Reyes. Buddy, in particular, kept looking over wondering what the hell was going on.

As I shook Efren's hand after the match, he said smiling in the high clipped accent he has, "Louis bank good. Miss straight in." That about summed it up.

Lou Figueroa
Merry Christmas y'all
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That's a beautiful story. I loved it the first time you posted it so many years ago. It's always nice when you do better than expected against a pro.

Me getting Jesse Bowman stuck $3000 at $600 a game getting a teeny spot was just such a moment for me.

I will try not to leave you any wired balls.
 
Jerry Forsyth said:
OK, some of you have written asking me why Barton's threads keep getting taken down. And the reason is that there are a number of you who come in and turn them venomous. So in this thread I am going to try and monitor the posts and just erase the ones that offer nothing to the thread except for character assassination.

I have removed 7 or 8 posts just now.

We will see if we can keep this thread alive, but if it gets crazy again the thread will disappear. Understand that cleaning up the sandbox is not in my job description and I do not intend for it to become a habit.

Now, if a post is made that DOES contain valuable comment on One-Pocket or the upcoming match but also includes a line or two of Ad Hominem artwork the entire post will hit the trash. I have no intention of editing this stuff line for line.
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Why is the word 'quote' necessary?
Couldn't we raise the literary level on AZ by using the term 'quoth'?
....as in "Quoth the raven nevermore'

pt.....feeling poely
 
dudlock said:
JB Cases said:
I have no problem with people thinking Lou is going to win. Lots of people have said that. Only a handful of them in the derogatory ways you have. In fact I hope that everyone who thinks Lou will win will be willing to bet on their opinion come game time.


Derogatory??!!? You haven't seen derogatory... YET.. Have you ever hung in a pool room or run with some pool players?? Don't try to blame me ... You say you hope everyone who thinks Lou will win will be willing to bet?? I thought you just said that you were calling OFF all the side bets?? Is that how you operate?? You realize you stepped into it and now you make some flimsy excuse and call it off?? Is that how betting goes on the internet?? Are we living in the same dimension?? Are you in the Obama administration?? Have you accepted Christ?? Are you just one real person?? I had already made the prediction about you never playing. Now I see how you are going to handle it. Gonna get mad and storm off on a slow boat to China, making all kinds of excuses and blaming all these different people. Close??
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From Jerry Forsyth one of AZB owners perhaps you missed this! It was post #38

How to keep this thread going. - Today, 11:42 AM
OK, some of you have written asking me why Barton's threads keep getting taken down. And the reason is that there are a number of you who come in and turn them venomous. So in this thread I am going to try and monitor the posts and just erase the ones that offer nothing to the thread except for character assassination.

I have removed 7 or 8 posts just now.

We will see if we can keep this thread alive, but if it gets crazy again the thread will disappear. Understand that cleaning up the sandbox is not in my job description and I do not intend for it to become a habit.

Now, if a post is made that DOES contain valuable comment on One-Pocket or the upcoming match but also includes a line or two of Ad Hominem artwork the entire post will hit the trash. I have no intention of editing this stuff line for line.
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It's Christmas Eve. Way to early for Woofing this match. Personal attacks will only get worse. I like reading some of the ribbing back in forth in forums and usually that's all it is. One pocket is a game of skill and patience. Lou is probably sitting down eating a nice dinner with his family in Christmas Eve. John is on here arguing about a match still 3 months away. If skill levels are even. Lou may win with patience alone.
 
jburkm002 said:
It's Christmas Eve. Way to early for Woofing this match. Personal attacks will only get worse. I like reading some of the ribbing back in forth in forums and usually that's all it is. One pocket is a game of skill and patience. Lou is probably sitting down eating a nice dinner with his family in Christmas Eve. John is on here arguing about a match still 3 months away. If skill levels are even. Lou may win with patience alone.
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Actually I am preparing to go to Christmas service at my parent's church. Been out bought Christmas gifts, watched about an hour of one pocket, watched Stan's dvd and answered several emails from customers as well as had several chats with customers and friends.

I am just doing what I like to do which is talk about things that interest me. It's a fallacy to assume I am not working on my game. I assure you when the match comes around I will match Lou shot for shot and probably teach him a couple that he probably doesn't yet know.
 
dudlock said:
JB Cases said:
I have no problem with people thinking Lou is going to win. Lots of people have said that. Only a handful of them in the derogatory ways you have. In fact I hope that everyone who thinks Lou will win will be willing to bet on their opinion come game time.


Derogatory??!!? You haven't seen derogatory... YET.. Have you ever hung in a pool room or run with some pool players?? Don't try to blame me ... You say you hope everyone who thinks Lou will win will be willing to bet?? I thought you just said that you were calling OFF all the side bets?? Is that how you operate?? You realize you stepped into it and now you make some flimsy excuse and call it off?? Is that how betting goes on the internet?? Are we living in the same dimension?? Are you in the Obama administration?? Have you accepted Christ?? Are you just one real person?? I had already made the prediction about you never playing. Now I see how you are going to handle it. Gonna get mad and storm off on a slow boat to China, making all kinds of excuses and blaming all these different people. Close??
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Apparently you have a difficult time reading all the way through a post before answering. I said I am calling off the side bets made on AZB BECAUSE the threads can be deleted and have been deleted BUT that at match time I will be taking side action.

My point is that I see no reason to bet with people on the forum if my threads can be deleted. No reason to carry on a public conversation about side betting and how much if the moderators will just delete the thread at their whim. I will make side bets and they will all be private from here on out.

I also said I am willing to post the entire $10,000 right now. So that hardly indicates that I am not willing to play. Also If Lou wants to play early then all he has to to do is post the whole 10k with Mike Page and then he can come to OKC and we can play every day until the match for up to $1000 a game until one of us quits. That offer stands after the 1st of January as I will be traveling until then. You are more than welcome to back him in that and I am sure he would be more than happy to have you do it.

If you all need my phone number to arrange a time to play just pm me your name and number and we can make a time to have Lou play me.
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Slow?

I was first introduced to pool/1p in the late 60s early 70s --- as a kid in NYC
I would go to the pool room, fortunately there a few top rooms at the time. Anyway
I would always see this guy named Johnny playing one pocket I wouldn't play I would just watch, usually for a couple of hours.
It was amazing to watch him go out - it was surgical a Beautiful, effortless game.
the loser would drop the $ in the winners pocket. Occasionally the business types
Would come in around lunch time late afternoon they had no chance.
someone mentioned it was probably Johnny Ervilino
watching one pocket preformed like that is nether slow or boring, It was quite amazing
Especially for me.
I don't know either of the 2 gents who will be doing battle but sounds like a good match
I will keep reading... A Merry Christmas to ALL.
Mcp.
 
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How is your one hole training going Lou? I am in action every night. $200 one hole, $100, $50, $20 doesn't matter.
 
JB Cases said:
San Jose Dick vs. The Poodle
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Thank you John, nice of you to brag for me...That's from 'Shots, Moves and Strategies'...And the last paragraph on that page, is a quote from my dear departed friend, Jersey Red ! ;)
 
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