spankman8 said:
So you claim that its FAIR MARKET VALUE? Well im sorry there is NOTHING fair about a company MASS producing MANY cues at a SMALL cost to them and trying to resell that cue at a MUCH GREATER price. Where is there FAIR MARKET VALUE? Hmmmm well im sorry but I dont see it, as Im sure many other people who know exactly what a manufacture has in a cue dont see it either.
There is NO such thing as FAIR MARKET VALUE these days, people raise their price on EVERYTHING just cause gas goes up. Is THAT FAIR MARKET VALUE, im sorry but think again.
There is NO such thing, as I could market an idea and put a retail price of $300 on it but it may only cost me $2 to make it, so where is there any FAIR MARKET VALUE? There is NONE, so im sorry manwon. But your arguement is wrong. These companies MASS produce these cues in order to get rich, they have hardly NOTHING invested in them, its the EQUIPMENT that is costly not the cue.
There is NO such thing as FAIR MARKET VALUE, ANYBODY can put a price on ANYTHING. Just because so and so sells something cheaper than what they expect them to does NOT mean the cue is worth LESS than what it SUPPOSEDLY RETAILED AT. LIL HINT RETAIL PRICE IS JUST NOTHING BUT A MARK UP TO MAKE PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE GETTING A DEAL. So now what have you got to say about that?
If GAS Had a RETAIL price of $3.00 and someone seen it for $2.17, but the retail market price was $2.40, where do you think they are gonna go? Hmmm lets think .23 cents a gallon cheaper im sure I know where they will go.
There is NO such thing Retail price with a MARKET VALUE. Retail Price is NOTHING but a MARK UP to dicount things to MAKE people THINK they are getting a GOOD deal on SOMETHING. LoL there is NOTHING in this world that is FAIR untill you get GOOD people that WANT to MAKE it FAIR.
The game of pool is about sport NOT who has the best lookin cue, or who has the highest dollar cue. The game of pool has been taken away because people try to out due others by having a higher dollar cue than the rest, even tho I DO agree that a custom cue DOES play better than MOsT production cues. BUT you ALSO have to think about the Beginners, and the people who do NOT have the money to buy the HIGH dollar custom cues.
But in my opinion this forum has became over rated with people thinking that it should be for custom cues and cases only. Cause people are griping and complaining about someone who tries to sell production cues on here. YES I DO agree that some people take advantage of bumping NEEDLESS threads. YES I am including MYSELF in this as well since im a seller of production cues, but I TRY not to bump a Thread of mine no more than once a day.
First I have never in any of my posts complained about the sale of production cues on this site or any other site.
My posts have been directed at people who devalue the billiard merchandise, by selling it for few dollars above wholesale.
If you or any other person is buying wholesale and selling your merchandise below 80% of the manufactures retail you are in violation of you wholesale agreement with your manufacturer.
Currently, all the manufactures I do business with require this. At this time I have a round thirty different suppliers for billiards equipment. I sell Custom Cues, Production Cues, Import Cues, along with cue cases and other accessories.
I totally agree with a free market, as long as it will not devalue the merchandise being sold. This is the most stupid thing that can happen in any industry. This is also what ruined eBay for production billiard equipment sales.
Even some of the custom makers have under cut their dealers by selling directly on Ebay themselves. The effects caused by their actions can be very easily seen.
For instance, a few years ago Dale Perrys cues were sold according to fair market value for custom cues that were being sold on the open market.
The quality was good, and people liked Dales work. For reasons that only Dale knows he made the decision to sell his cues directly on the open market. By doing this he under cut the price his dealers were receiving for his cues. The problem with this is that now some of his cue dealers and all his previous customers were stuck with cues that were devalued by many hundreds of dollars. This caused many people to lose their investment in Dales cues and some of Dales dealers became stuck with merchandise that they could not sell for a profit. Now Dales cues are still custom, but try to sell one to a collector, the market is dead and Dales current cues are being sold like production cues.
I keep around $30,000 to $40,000 dollars in inventory in my pool halls pro-shop. Around $15,000 to $20,000 dollars of my current inventory is Custom Cues, production cues, cases, and accessories.
I completely understand what fair market value means.
I also understand what market devaluation means.
This should not bother you, because it also effects you directly if you are buying and selling merchandise.
However, as far as, you statements about market values are concerned I totally disagree you. Ebay is proof of how a group of nit's can and will devalue a product. I have been a member and seller for many years, I was there during the good times and the bad.
Good luck, you are entitled to your opinion, and we can agree to disagree.
Have a nice day
Manwon
