Oops I did it again (Yapp's) foul in a final, a second time!
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Kodak provides a relatively cheap digitization service for vhs but the Jacksonville tape has minimal editing.
Dr. Dave has a bunch of high-speed videos, some of which we did together.
Clearly ref should have reviewed like Nigel Rees in the foul in that Bustamante -Daryl Peach match. Though in that match Rees only reviewed after someone shouted "Foul" 
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Clearly obvious foul after video review in that match.
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Clearly obvious foul after video review in that match.
While the path of the cue ball does tell the story for this shot, it is not one of the simpler situations, like shooting between two frozen balls. I can see how the ref could be unsure about what a shot would look like if close to a simultaneous hit.
Some tournaments explicitly do not have video reviews. Do we know what the policy was in this match?
Personally, I think the ref should use whatever info is available to make difficult calls.
Do you think the next revision of the WPA rules could make this more explicit?
Right now the Regulations say “If a player needs a decision to be taken, the first person to be contacted is the referee.
The referee will form his decision by all means that seem suitable to him.” Obviously that could include video but it doesn’t mention it.
The only reference I see to video is this under Area Referee:
If a dispute arises between two players in an unrefereed Match, and the area referee is
asked to make a decision without having seen the cause of the dispute, he should be
careful to understand the situation as completely as possible. This might include asking trusted witnesses, reviewing video tapes, or reenacting the shot.
For these kind of shots where the post-impact CB path could give a clear indication of a good or bad hit, do you think it would be a good idea if referees inform players of the criteria of a good/bad hit before the shot is taken?
For example, for Yapp's shot, the ref would stop the shot clock and inform both players that it would be good hit if the CB follows path X and it would be a bad shot if the CB follows path Y. And then restart the shot clock when both understand.
The downside is that doing so could be disruptive to the shooter's rhythm. Especially if one or both players are completely ignorant of ball collision physics.
The conditions at different events vary, so it's hard to make it a requirement. I suppose the regulations could urge use of video, but I can think of several reasons why it might be a problem even if it was being recorded.
I was thinking something simple like “The referee will form his decision by all means that seem suitable to him [and may consult video if available].” The [] is the addition I would suggest to thr existing wording.
Well then refs should have sweat sense. What's more disruptive, intervening or unresolvable conflict?
the ref should keep his mouth shut until the opponent which should have the right to stand up and say.
"hey watch this as it cant go and you will see this happen."
if he chose to be quiet then any close call like that goes to the ref or is considered good unless obvious.
of course if video is allowed to enter into it then do so.
"hey watch this as it cant go and you will see this happen."
if he chose to be quiet then any close call like that goes to the ref or is considered good unless obvious.
of course if video is allowed to enter into it then do so.
you cant go by what an object ball does or direction of a ball. as then a ref may take it upon himself to make all kinds of strange calls.
how would like a ref make a call like, -- it had to be a push or double hit as on this table its impossible for you to have followed the shot that far with your stroke--.
how would like a ref make a call like, -- it had to be a push or double hit as on this table its impossible for you to have followed the shot that far with your stroke--.
I hate to break it to you, but what the OB or CB does is the best way to judge a number of things. Double hits when the CB is close to the OB (as Marcel correctly did on a double hit by Sky at a WNT event). Which ball was hit first (like in the Yapp situation).
It is the most reliable way to judge these things, at least absent super slow motion video (which isn’t available in any normal environment). I would like ref’s to make the call correctly, and not just say “I couldn’t clearly SEE the double hit or the wrong ball hit so it’s good”.
If the OB and CB were a centimeter apart and the shooter shoots directly through the line connecting the centers of balls with a level cue, and the CB immediately goes forward at 10mph after impact, you don’t think that’s enough evidence to rule a double hit?
Much easier to observe the CB path than to actually observe the cue hitting the CB twice. Nothing “strange” about it.