OOPS!! need some help

JOEY

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ok, i made a boo boo. i recently started doing tips and shaft cleaning, and theyve been turning out really nice. well, i cleaned a shaft for a friend, and when i was shaping the tip, i was holding the shaft with a rag, and it wore a ring/dent in the shaft. i cant seem to get it out. any suggestions?? i tried sanding it, but it doesnt seem to be helping, and i dont want to mess it up anymore than it already is. thanks for any input. joey
 
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joey, its a round divot around the shaft. i think that it might have to be turned down in order to fix it. i tried "blending" it, but it doesnt seem to be working. any suggestions? thanks, joey
 
Stop sanding now.
Get a tissue paper, wet it.
Place that on the divot overnight. The divot will rise ( wood rises when wet ).
Let the wood settle a little ( it might shrink if it's dry where you are ).
After that, I suggest starting with a 600 grit paper and sand PARALLEL with the shaft without turning the shaft. Hand turn in once you get one spot levelled until they are level or really close to. Then turn the shaft and sand with the same grit, gently to level the whole area around.
Go 800 grit and up , seal and polish.
If anyone has a better suggestion, I'd like to hear it too.
Some people use hot iron and wet cue tip/tissue to make wood rise.
 
the only thing is that now because of my attempted fix, its more like an inch long shallow spot on the shaft.
 
I read in Chris Hightower's book you can mix a little shaft dust with superglue and put that on the dent if it is too deep. Havent made this mistake yet so I cant speak as to how well it works - just another idea. If it isnt that deep - lightly sand the dent to open the pores and use a q-tip dipped in hot water. Keep doing this until the dent pops out.
 
JOEY said:
the only thing is that now because of my attempted fix, its more like an inch long shallow spot on the shaft.
Use wet tissue for now to see if it rises.
You don't want to sand a long area to blend with that divot imo.
 
JOEY~ Same thing happened to me last year! Use the method joey mentioned about, the wet paper towel wrap it tight around the ring, let it set overnight. Then (without the lathe on) sand with 600g parrellel to the shaft, wipe the dust off, sand with 800g and up, seal, buff and you should be good to go!

Zim
 
JOEY said:
ok, i made a boo boo. i recently started doing tips and shaft cleaning, and theyve been turning out really nice. well, i cleaned a shaft for a friend, and when i was shaping the tip, i was holding the shaft with a rag, and it wore a ring/dent in the shaft. i cant seem to get it out. any suggestions?? i tried sanding it, but it doesnt seem to be helping, and i dont want to mess it up anymore than it already is. thanks for any input. joey
How much is this boo boo gonna cost, if it can't be fixed? I recently did a tip with a porper big shaver. The darn thing left a circular dent. I used a wet paper towel to wet the affected area. As soon as it was wetted, I spun the shaft and with a piece of leather in my hand, I started to burnish the area while it was still wet. It got hot and pushed the moisture into the wood. Then I sanded lightly with 600 grit to knock off the raised grain. With this method the dent was gone within only a few minutes. Next you need to buy some collets, they are a lot cheaper than replacing a shaft. Call Chris Hightower, he sells them.

Good luck,
Tracy
 
When I get a shaft in , and It that has rings simular to what's mentioned, what I do Is use a combination of a steam gun with a good shot of steam & a wet paper towel as others use. I take My time, keep working it around until I get the grain to rise as much as it will, then I try to blend it in very carefully, and try to utilize sealer to harden the grain if needed. The closer you get to the ferrule the harder It seems to be to pull such dents without effecting the shaft. My whole object is to try to sand as little as possible, and save most for last, so I have some left to blend It in after pulling. The only sanding I do prior to steaming, is just enough to break the sealer, so the steamer can work it's magic. I had a shaft that was loaded a couple of months back, had dents out the yang in It, and about three deep rings in It. I was lucky to be able to pull all of them and It felt & looked like a new shaft afterwards. Main thing seems to be, just be aware of how much is being sanded away, It's easy to sand too much off before even realizing It. Also sometimes even though those rings will pull up, they will still be visible even though they are smooth. really depends on the shafts, how much your willing to sand,what kind of discoloring was left by the ring, and how wide the grain of the wood is. I just take them one on one, and take My time until I acheive the goal. Joey mentioned sanding straight at times, I use that method without the lathe on, as well as with the lathe turning at times, and I sand at a angle sometimes If It helps. it all depends on what I am trying to accomplish with it. I am sure there are several ways to do it, I just do what works for Me at the time, and try not to dig myself a deeper rut then I already have. Good Luck With it. Greg
 
JOEY said:
ok, i made a boo boo. i recently started doing tips and shaft cleaning, and theyve been turning out really nice. well, i cleaned a shaft for a friend, and when i was shaping the tip, i was holding the shaft with a rag, and it wore a ring/dent in the shaft. i cant seem to get it out. any suggestions?? i tried sanding it, but it doesnt seem to be helping, and i dont want to mess it up anymore than it already is. thanks for any input. joey

This does not answer your question but NEVER use rags around a spinning object that is machine shop 101. I can picture what you are doing and you should just gently hold the spinning shaft in your hand or with a soft glove. You also may be spinning it much too fast considering the damage you did. It doesn't take much speed to just shape a tip.
 
JOEY- What kind of machine are you using to spin your shafts? Do you have a cue lathe (or a converted metal/wood lathe) or a home made contraption?

Zim
 
macguy said:
This does not answer your question but NEVER use rags around a spinning object that is machine shop 101. I can picture what you are doing and you should just gently hold the spinning shaft in your hand or with a soft glove. You also may be spinning it much too fast considering the damage you did. It doesn't take much speed to just shape a tip.
When I read the original post i thought it sounded, as if he was using rags to protect the shaft from the jaws of a chuck. It may be that I completely misunderstood the original post.

Tracy
 
RSB-Refugee said:
When I read the original post i thought it sounded, as if he was using rags to protect the shaft from the jaws of a chuck. It may be that I completely misunderstood the original post.

Tracy

He said the rag wore a ring on the shaft. It seems he must be holding the spinning shaft with his hand and a rag to protect it from the heat build up as he shapes the tip. You should not even use a rag when cleaning a shaft that is spinning on a lathe. The rag can over lap it self and start to spin and damage the shaft. I have seen guys have fingers pulled out of joint and hands pulled into a sharp tool with rags. Even sand paper can get away from you if it is not held right and cause damage or injury.
 
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macguy said:
You should not even use a rag when cleaning a shaft that is spinning on a lathe. The rag can over lap it self and start to spin and damage the shaft. I have seen guys have fingers pulled out of joint and hands pulled into a sharp tool with rags. Even sand paper can get away from you if it is not held right and cause damage or injury.
Those are some very scary scenarios you desribed. I agree, safety is important. I would hate to get a nickname like, stubby, stubs, or nubs. I've had 10 fingers for almost 44 years and I'm kind of attached to them. :)

Tracy
 
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