Open vs Close Bridge

gregcantrall said:
YEAH Officer, I called to report my free stuff getting stolen. 🤷‍♂️ Didn't expect such a prompt and studious response. Response time commendable and good uniform as well. And uh oh uh Good job.
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Music trade schools recommend stealing licks riffs anything to build one's craft. Frankly screw them.
 
gregcantrall said:
Stealing is such a harsh word. 😉 🤷‍♂️
Open source is my prefered relm. Take it and build upon it then release it back into the wild.
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Steal, cop, it's part of the process. Two words used verbatim incidentally. Everything the music stars star on is stolen. To be fair it's the craft you end up with that counts. The annoying part is the majority are just part strippers. Make a Jeepney (prolly too much work to make a Jeepney) stick a hood ornament on it and throw it out with a for sale sign.
 
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mr3cushion said:
I'm waiting for a 'Logical' answer first.
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Well Dave gave you your answer. So about that trail blazing.....

Maybe if we had a 3C expert on the forum they could tell us why they think the closed bridge is primarily used in that game.
 
skor said:
In the past, all pros (most of them) used close bridge. Every instructor was advocating close bridge as the way to go.
Nowadays, all the pros (most of them) use open bridge... what changed? and when?
For snooker it was always open bridge, the snooker stance was different and the chin is on the cue so that gave that extra contact point to secure the cue position and a closed bridge would block the player's view.
So I get pool players that put the chin on the cue who use open bridge but many don't put the chin on the cue, so why not close bridge?
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Pocket sizes being smaller is a huge factor.
Thus....
Having that knuckle otta the way can only help.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
A closed bridge won't do that (although I can see how it might seem so).

pj
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seems <seem> has always been good enough for players. I look to precision machinery for analogies. Call a miscue a function of shear moment. Perhaps in the billiarder's mind, the closed bridge allows flirting with the shear without the shear. (?) "Takes a half shear to make that shot... "
Also relieves stress from worrying about it and strengthens the fingers.
 
Here's the simple proof it makes no difference: thousands of pros in different games have used both over a long period of time, and some use both interchangeably. If there was any appreciable difference, everybody would do it the better way. That's just how it is. There's no arguing with results.

They have to keep putting band-aid rules on the break in 9-ball because there are ways to get a clear advantage in the game by racking a certain way, winging a ball, etc. So people do that because it clearly gives an advantage, and it kind of breaks the game. They're never going to ban the open bridge because it's breaking the game. Nobody is banning low deflection shafts because they allow any schmo off the street to run out every rack. Have Caudron play with an open bridge or Ronnie O'Sullivan with a closed bridge and they'll be fine after a half hour. Have them play between their knuckles and they'll still beat everybody below the top elite.
 
Moe Szyslak said:
Here's the simple proof it makes no difference: thousands of pros in different games have used both over a long period of time, and some use both interchangeably. If there was any appreciable difference, everybody would do it the better way. That's just how it is. There's no arguing with results.

They have to keep putting band-aid rules on the break in 9-ball because there are ways to get a clear advantage in the game by racking a certain way, winging a ball, etc. So people do that because it clearly gives an advantage, and it kind of breaks the game. They're never going to ban the open bridge because it's breaking the game. Nobody is banning low deflection shafts because they allow any schmo off the street to run out every rack. Have Caudron play with an open bridge or Ronnie O'Sullivan with a closed bridge and they'll be fine after a half hour. Have them play between their knuckles and they'll still beat everybody below the top elite.
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Players develop strong preferences so the argument fails on individuality. It's definitely a refined skill to repeatedly hit the ball even gud nuff.
 
Players develop strong preferences so the argument fails on individuality.
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Right. It's what feels right to you. If you drive a different car than the one you drive everyday, it feels weird. But you can still drive just as good.

There's no actual scientific type data that will back a different bridge, none. Just like, "Softer tips increase spin" will never die. If you could increase spin, 3C players would play with a marshmallow, imagine the range of english you would have. The game has been around for a long while, and the players use different hardness tips. If there were a clear advantage, there would be exactly one type of tip and everybody would use it because you could blow away the competition with it.

In 3c Korea, they're starting to randomize the break shot for the same reason that they had to tame the break shot in 9 ball - because it gives too much advantage to the breaker. Nobody cares what equipment or bridge they're using, though, it's the shot that's the problem.
 
Moe Szyslak said:
Right. It's what feels right to you. If you drive a different car than the one you drive everyday, it feels weird. But you can still drive just as good.

There's no actual scientific type data that will back a different bridge, none. Just like, "Softer tips increase spin" will never die. If you could increase spin, 3C players would play with a marshmallow, imagine the range of english you would have. The game has been around for a long while, and the players use different hardness tips. If there were a clear advantage, there would be exactly one type of tip and everybody would use it because you could blow away the competition with it.

In 3c Korea, they're starting to randomize the break shot for the same reason that they had to tame the break shot in 9 ball - because it gives too much advantage to the breaker. Nobody cares what equipment or bridge they're using, though, it's the shot that's the problem.
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That's also a generalization though. It doesn't address that one might actually be better than the other. As far as tangible evidence, shear at the miscue limit might detail the issue.
Couple assumptions:
Pool players optimize for low danger cueing.

Billiard ers HAVE to shoot in the avoid zones of the aforementioned pool players.

So, while poolers can bridge freely, billiarders might stress mechanical stability.
 
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The_JV said:
Well Dave gave you your answer. So about that trail blazing.....

Maybe if we had a C expert on the forum they could tell us why they think the closed bridge is primarily used in that game.
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I use an open bridge for thin hits in C most every time. I can get better masse to hit thin and go long with open bridge. I’m no expert tho.


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