Opinions on metal jointed cue

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Cezar Morales

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Hi, i'm comteplating between choosing a metal joint and wood joint from Mezz cue.

Can anyone tell me the difference between both ?

Does metal joint produce a more solid or stiffer hit ?
But does it also result in lesser feedback due to the metal ?


Does wood joint allows more feedback but a softer hit ?

Thanks
 
I like most stainless joints but even then a stainless joint could hit softer than a wood to wood depending on the cue maker. I have a sneaky pete that is piloted joint and hits firmer than many stainless jointed cues.
 
I own 2 Mezz cues, one with a Wavy joint and one with a United joint. Personally I prefer the United joint as far as playability goes. It makes the cue slightly more forward balanced. The wavy is a good joint too, no question about that. It is like choosing between two identical teddy bears when we were kids :grin:

They both work well, you cant go wrong either way :) Just go with the one you personally like as a concept, piloted tight fitting metal joint, or a flat face big pin cue.

My United joint Aya cue has Juma on its joint amd the wawy has aegis on it if that makes any difference :embarrassed2:
 
Kimmo H. said:
I own 2 Mezz cues, one with a Wavy joint and one with a United joint. Personally I prefer the United joint as far as playability goes. It makes the cue slightly more forward balanced. The wavy is a good joint too, no question about that. It is like choosing between two identical teddy bears when we were kids :grin:

They both work well, you cant go wrong either way :) Just go with the one you personally like as a concept, piloted tight fitting metal joint, or a flat face big pin cue.

My United joint Aya cue has Juma on its joint amd the wawy has aegis on it if that makes any difference :embarrassed2:
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Sorry i think what i meant was choosing between stainless stell joint or phenolic joint ?

Have u tried a stainless steel joint ?
 
Cezar Morales said:
Sorry i think what i meant was choosing between stainless stell joint or phenolic joint ?

Have u tried a stainless steel joint ?
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Your choice will have nothing to do with how well you play.
I've used Schon cues for years, and they all had SS joints. I've also had cues with wood to wood. Although the hit is different between the two, I play just as well with one as I do the other, and you will, too. :smile:
 
Cezar Morales said:
Hi, i'm comteplating between choosing a metal joint and wood joint from Mezz cue.

Can anyone tell me the difference between both ?

Does metal joint produce a more solid or stiffer hit ?
But does it also result in lesser feedback due to the metal ?


Does wood joint allows more feedback but a softer hit ?

Thanks
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Try posting in the "Ask the Cuemaker" here: http://forums.azbilliards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=22

You'll get a more detailed explanation.... Lots of things can affect the hit.
Flat faced vs piloted, different woods, different ferrules, Pin type...... etc....

I have a Carmeli 3/8-10 Stainless Flatface that is Sleeved, and a 1/2 joint SS piloted, and lots of Linen Based and Phelnolic joints..... all with different feedback.

In a nutshell, you can pretty much get the hit you desire with just about any of the above.
 
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Personally I think a ss joint has more vibration or feed back then a wood to wood big pin 3/8x10 - 3/8x11.

I prefer a a 3/8x 10 pin . and I should I only have ten or fifteen 3/8 x10 shafts for my playing cues
 
I do have a Mezz with a SS joint, it is my friends cue actually, but I'll test it out with my own shaft and post some sort of review tomorrow for you on how they differ. 2 Mezz United joint cues, one with SS collar and one with Juma :thumbup: I think that they will feel relatively close to each other, but i'll post about it when I get the chance. Now at a music festival, browsing AzB :rolleyes:
 
Kimmo H. said:
I do have a Mezz with a SS joint, it is my friends cue actually, but I'll test it out with my own shaft and post some sort of review tomorrow for you on how they differ. 2 Mezz United joint cues, one with SS collar and one with Juma :thumbup: I think that they will feel relatively close to each other, but i'll post about it when I get the chance. Now at a music festival, browsing AzB :rolleyes:
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Thanks. I'll wait :)
 
Wood to wood or fiber collars will give you more power......
Allen McCarty found this on Iron Willie years ago in Jacksonville....
...the cue ball left the tip with 7 to12 % more speed.

So my snooker or carom cues are wood to wood.

However, all my steel jointed pool cues have never been re-faced at the joint....
....the steel gives you durability....and I like how they hit,

But if I put a snooker shaft on my pool cues, they can't handle long draw shots very well.
 
ive played with a couple of both. i personally prefer the wood to wood style joint since i prefer a little softer hit with more pure feedback. the steel joint for me is a bit firmer crisper hit, but i don't feel the same type of feedback i did with my wood to wood cues. that's why i went back to something more like that with my most recent cue.
 
Get the cue that looks the best to you. You will play the exact same with both of them. Might as well look good doing it:)
 
I like the look for some more than anything else. Mostly sneaky Petes with SS joints. I recently got one where the metal joint is thin but it's still mostly wood to wood. Perfection in my eyes. You wood think you would get a stiffer hit a-la schon with SS.
 
Go wood....the best combination is wood to wood,,,,next would be ivory.......but definitely wood over steel.
 
I'd like to share my opinion on this topic but think no one would appreciate nor like it,si I wouldn't:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::eek::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 
Cezar Morales said:
Hi, i'm comteplating between choosing a metal joint and wood joint from Mezz cue.

Can anyone tell me the difference between both ?

Does metal joint produce a more solid or stiffer hit ?
But does it also result in lesser feedback due to the metal ?


Does wood joint allows more feedback but a softer hit ?

Thanks
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The more hard material you put in a cue, the harder the hit. In it's elemental form, two-piece cues are meant to simulate a one-piece with the convenience of portability.

You can add a lot of stuff to any part of the cue like inlays(which make no difference in hit) to the butt, to points(which does change the hit), to the tip(which changes the feel of the contact). Other than the tip, the joint is the one area that vastly changes the feel of the hit. I won't get into the joint changing the hit but it WILL change the feel. So does an ss joint make the hit more solid or stiff? Well it depends on your definition of stiff and solid, but stiff to me is in the shaftwood, solid could be anything and anywhere. The WHOLE CUE and combinations of elements therein can add to a solid hit, so it's your definition. It DOES dampen the feedback and anyone can observe that.

And yes to your last question because a wood joint is essentially acting like a one-piece cue, is it not?
 
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If I am hitting the same shaft and tip it is impossible for me to tell what kind of joint the cue has .. I honestly cannot, and believe me I have tried them all.

The hit you feel, as far as I'm concerned, comes 100% from what kind of shaft and tip you use.

My favorite joint type is steel, and the thicker the steel the better, because it will be heavier.

I prefer a more forward weighted cue, and a nice thick steel joint helps greatly to achieve the forward balance I desire - especially now that I play with LD shafts, all of which are too light.

Oh yeah, I don't think you can go wrong with any Mezz cue, as long as you get one weighted and balance to your liking - I think their quality is second to no other production cue company.

Good rolls.
 
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