Opinions on the Joss JN-7

Azer.....MCP....has one for sale right now.

Matt B.



Joss Color Of $ Cue - 10-29-2015, 09:27 AM
$550
with - 2 - shafts. 5/16 x 14
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1- Joss shaft
The joss shaft is approximately 13mm and 3.5 oz. Length 29"

1- Pre cat Predator 314 Shaft, Good Condition. Shaft has the slightest taper roll.
Specs: Approximate
Weight_ 3.75
Length_ 29"
Diameter_ 12.50mm
Tip_ Kamui Tan

Sorry don't have digital calipers or a digital scale but I would say very close.

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Poolplaya9 said:
A lot of people say this, and you are just dead wrong, period. Cues are not like cars, as there is some objectivity with cars. Cues are mostly subjective. With relatively few exceptions, one cue is not inherently better than any other cue in terms of how well they play. Specific cues are just better suited for some people than others, but in the hands of someone who likes the cue they are all capable of running a 526 in straight pool if the person playing with it had the talent to do it.

What makes people be able to play consistently at their highest level is having a cue that fits their preferences perfectly, which will not be the same cue that it will be for you or the one that it will be for me. And almost every cue out there has somebody that it is best for.
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No buddy YOU are the one who is wrong.. I stake my reputation as a player AND being involved in building cues for 25 years... Just because someone has their "preferences" does NOT mean the cue HITS good... As I've stated, they may be able to make balls but if you give that same person an ACTUAL good playing cue with their preferences, they'll play even better more consistently.. That's a FACT... Obviously YOU are one who can't tell the differences...
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Absolute rubbish. Seriously. Shane switches from a Schon (with a crappy Joss shaft), to a Cuetec, and keeps winning. Thorsten goes from an Arthur (I think that was the custom he was using) to a Lucasi, and still runs 400s. John Schmidt goes from a Hunter Custom, to an OB, to a Fury, and still runs 400s.

I had a pretty sporty friend borrow my Joss one time. He is a pretty competent player - uses a Predator shaft on all of his cues. He used my Joss to play his set, because he came from work and didn't have his cue. He lost the first rack, and then proceeded to run off the next 7 to win his match. His exact words regarding the cue: "I had to get used to the throw. Once I figured out how much it chucked, it played lights out. If it had a harder tip, it would be a weapon". No critique of the cue being garbage. He also ran sets with a sneaky Dufferin, and someone's Meucci. Never, once, did he call someone's cue "garbage". "Hit" isn't a playing characteristic of a cue. It's a subjective feeling, but has absolutely nothing to do with the ability of the wooden rod to pocket balls.
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I think Shane's cue that you referred to (the one with his name inlaid) was a Joss with a Schon shaft but maybe I am remembering it backwards. As for the rest of your post, I don't get the point because the tone of it sounds like you are trying to disagree with me, yet you are repeating back to me everything I said and are in the strongest agreement. You are right in that if you are familiar with a cue you can usually play pretty well with it even if you don't like it and I never said otherwise. I do think a person will play their best pool with a cue they are familiar with and that meets their their preferences perfectly though (mostly because of psychological reasons like confidence). As for the rest of what you wrote, it just parroted everything I said to a T. Pretty much all cues are capable of consistent pool of the highest possible levels, and preferences are subjective.
 
If I was buying one, I'd look for the j-18 version from the 80's. They are still out there, and in my opinion better hitting cues. I've owned multiple versions of the cue, and a ton of joss cues over the years. The old gold letter j series is easily my favorite.

As for how they play, I like joss cues. I have had plenty of custom and production cues, and joss and schon cues both have a hit I like.
 
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cubswin said:
If I was buying one, I'd look for the j-18 version from the 80's. They are still out there, and in my opinion better hitting cues. I've owned multiple versions of the cue, and a ton of joss cues over the years. The old gold letter j series is easily my favorite.

As for how they play, I like joss cues. I have had plenty of custom and production cues, and joss and schon cues both have a hit I like.
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Very cool, thank you for sharing and for the recommendation. I will go check those out for sure.. Seems like the older versions of cues tend to play better than the newer ones.. Made by better hands or materials, perhaps?
...Also, thank you for actually answering my question. ;) :D
 
mr.d.scottie said:
Thinking about obtaining one but obviously would like any input possible, as this isn't a cue I can just walk into a store and try.
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Find your closest pool supply place and play any Joss they have.
If you like their hit get this one.
It's a beautiful cue and there's nothing wrong with their cues.
If you like Joss in general, and you certainly can play those at most of the suppliers, then come back and get this one.
Or order it from your local dealer.
 
skins said:
No buddy YOU are the one who is wrong.. I stake my reputation as a player AND being involved in building cues for 25 years... Just because someone has their "preferences" does NOT mean the cue HITS good... As I've stated, they may be able to make balls but if you give that same person an ACTUAL good playing cue with their preferences, they'll play even better more consistently.. That's a FACT... Obviously YOU are one who can't tell the differences...
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Many cue makers hold your belief (of course they do, it helps sell cues) and it is dead wrong. But go ahead and explain exactly what you think an objectively good hitting cue is and in what ways you feel this makes it inherently better than another cue and tell us what evidence supports those claims.

The evidence that supports that all cues are inherently fairly equal in their abilities is that just about every cue has been used by pros to play at the highest level possible. And has been pointed out previously in this thread, sometimes the same pro even uses various cues and plays at the highest possible levels with all of them. Pretty much all cues are capable of playing better than the person using it ever could. If you can't play consistently well with a cue it is either because you are not yet totally familiar with it yet or you just simply don't like it. There is somebody else who could play at the very highest levels with it though. It isn't inherently inferior to other cues.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
And we are both right.....for us. This is why the "what cue plays good" question (or answering that question) is so dumb, because it is all personal preference. What one guy loves the next guy hates.
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It's ok, it's ok......everything is fine....

Then just just let those of us who don't mind answering these questions reply to them.

There's nothing that says that YOU have to reply if you don't want to or find something about it that's dumb.

Just go to the next post.
 
I agree with both of you guys. I mean, it definitely depends on the player, not everyone is going to experience one thing in the same way as another person, nor it is guaranteed for one person to enjoy one cue's sound and feel as much as the next guy.. But to say it's strictly black and white, that it's all about the individual, (and that this cue is "trash") is wrong too. It's like saying a set of old Wilson Staff irons from the 70s are just as good as a new set of forged Mizunos, or that a Chinese made Les Paul, no-name copy is just as good as the real thing. There is quality, there is crap, and there is an in-between, regardless of who possesses the tool.
All I wanted to know, is where this particular cue lies in that spectrum, for its price point. Is it good? Great? Just okay? How is the shaft? How does the butt feel? Is this cue on par with the Bushkas and others in this price range?
I didn't see a real thread on this anywhere, so I thought it would be interesting to create one, as well as to get a legitimate question answered.. Ya dig? :D
 
9Ballr said:
There's nothing that says that YOU have to reply if you don't want to or find something about it that's dumb.
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I'm trying to help him out with the right answer to his question, just like anyone else responding is trying to help him out.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
"I had to get used to the throw. Once I figured out how much it chucked, it played lights out. If it had a harder tip, it would be a weapon". No critique of the cue being garbage.
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Joss makes great cues.

If one likes their hit there's exactly nothing wrong with them.

This particular cue is absolutely beautiful. Love that classic cue look. Nothing over the top.
Just nicely executed art work.

OP; get the cue if you want it.
I play people night after night who swear by their late model Joss cues and hate my 80's R12 Runde.
So just get whatever feels right to you.....
 
My N7...

I purchased my N7 in 1994, my third cue. My first was a plain blue Meucci with black wrap. Sold that after less than a year and bought a plane-Jane Joss (my mentor had an early 80s N7). My N7 has been my main playing cue for over 20 years. I just sent it to Dan Janes at Joss to repair a cracked butt plate, some refinish work. Mine is a pre 1990 cue with no serial number, and before the shafts had implex (plastic) inserts, they had brass.

It hits very stiff, and very controllable. The weight is perfect, as is the balance. I have a high-growth ring shaft that (IMO) plays and suits my game. I have been getting to know my cue for 20+ years. If I ever get another cue, it will be from a custom maker like Richard Black or Jerry Raunzahn.

I had the pleasure of speaking with Dan at Joss. He told me an interesting anecdote about some of the Cuemakers to whom he contributed his knowledge. The list includes:Tim Scruggs, Richard Black, Bill Schick, Tony from Black Boar, Steve from White Boar, of course Dan and Steven Janes, and Bill Stroud from JossWest (pretty good lineup of world-class cue makers, if you ask me) among others. Dan described himself as "like the Johnny Appleseed of cue making." What a great guy.

Hope you find the right cue for your game. The best thing you can do is try many different cues, and often. One will grab you.

Brad
 
This is why when a new player asks me: what kind of cue should I get? I always tell him the same thing. Get a sneaky Pete to start out. Eventually every pool player wants to have one and until you actually learn what you like, they are always good to learn with. And very affordable. A good one can be had for $150.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
Many cue makers hold your belief (of course they do, it helps sell cues) and it is dead wrong. But go ahead and explain exactly what you think an objectively good hitting cue is and in what ways you feel this makes it inherently better than another cue and tell us what evidence supports those claims.

The evidence that supports that all cues are inherently fairly equal in their abilities is that just about every cue has been used by pros to play at the highest level possible. And has been pointed out previously in this thread, sometimes the same pro even uses various cues and plays at the highest possible levels with all of them. Pretty much all cues are capable of playing better than the person using it ever could. If you can't play consistently well with a cue it is either because you are not yet totally familiar with it yet or you just simply don't like it. There is somebody else who could play at the very highest levels with it though. It isn't inherently inferior to other cues.
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You bring me 10 cues... I will explain the differences in hit... I'm in the Chicago area.. Let me know when you want to bring them.. You may just learn something.
 
mr.d.scottie said:
But to say it's strictly black and white, that it's all about the individual, (and that this cue is "trash") is wrong too
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Who said a cue was trash in a black and white manner as in that wouldn't be good for anybody? Nobody said that. In fact what was said could not possibly be more opposite from that. What was said was that for them, and their personal preferences, in that regard the cue was trash for them but may in fact be the best cue in the world for the next guy. In other words there was nothing inherently wrong with the cue, it just wasn't right for them.

mr.d.scottie said:
It's like saying a set of old Wilson Staff irons from the 70s are just as good as a new set of forged Mizunos, or that a Chinese made Les Paul, no-name copy is just as good as the real thing.
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Pool sticks are not like many or most other things in that respect. When it comes to their capability for play they are pretty equally capable for the most part. It is just a matter of getting familiar with that particular stick as well as how closely it meets your preferences. There are objective differences between the the quality of construction with different cues (typically cosmetic or things that affect how long it will last), but rarely with how well they are inherently capable of playing.
 
skins said:
You bring me 10 cues... I will explain the differences in hit... I'm in the Chicago area.. Let me know when you want to bring them.. You may just learn something.
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I know the differences in hit and also know that what is best is almost all personal preference. Your claim is that some hits are objectively and inherently better than others. You made the claim so tell us which hits you think are objectively and inherently best, and why, and provide your evidence.
 
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