Opinions Please!!!

poolhustler

poolhustler

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Should a member of AZ be banned or given a short vacation for giving out negative iTrader to another person that they have NOT ever dealt with??

Are there rules from the mgmt on this??

Opinions please.

Ty,

Russ.....
 
poolhustler said:
Should a member of AZ be banned or given a short vacation for giving out negative iTrader to another person that they have NOT ever dealt with??

Are there rules from the mgmt on this??

Opinions please.

Ty,

Russ.....
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Throw the bum out. He's obviously here only to make trouble. I'm surprised the iTrader system will let him leave negative feedback, if no business has been transacted.
 
Sounds like dirty pool to me......hire crawfish to stab him.....or hire Johnny to hustle him.....or hire Bartram to play him 27 hours straight and take all his cash.....or hire Justin to pick him up and throw him.....or hire....you get the point....
 
first post ever (no longer a virgin)

i think if the person has never delt with you and does that get rid of him
 
You should get banned for not following the rules

I think that if you have no dealings with the person you should not be able to leave a I trader for them. And in the fact that you just do it to be a smart a$$, Or to harrass or slander the person cause you have nothing better to do then to start trouble. And even the fact that when certain members on here make post and tell others to leave bad I traders for others even knowing that they had no dealings with that member.I think that if you do such a thing you should be banned and or a vacation for awhile. My true feelings are if you only on here to start trouble and to say things against others when you have no proven just cause to do so, YOU SHOULD BE BANNED !!! Even when it's clear to the management that these few members are always the same ones bashing others in private pm's or in public post and nothing is done about it at all. Whats the use of haveing rules when they are only for the one's that don't break them. And then the fact that memebers just give RED REP out for someone haveing their own opinion, is beyond me... I just dont get it <<<ED
 
If the person they gave it to is known to take payment in full for items, and then takes months to deliver, then I think its just fine.

Especially if the person has done it multiple times, to multiple members, and usually has to have a lot of negative press to get things fixed.

Really the member who does the above should be the one banned, borders on theft using someones hard earned money for months when they knew they weren't ready to deliver.

Sounds like to me that the member is trying to protect others, whether or not that is their Job. Personally I find it funny as hell when people get taken by this scam after a few subtle warnings. Don't think you need to be over the top about it, unfortunately most of the past posts exposing this have been taken down.


~really amazed at Varney's ability to constantly find new supporters when the old ones leave him~
 
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Are there there rules written anywhere that prohibit this behavior or establish the guidelines??
 
cubswin said:
If the person they gave it to is known to take payment in full for items, and then takes months to deliver, then I think its just fine.

Especially if the person has done it multiple times, to multiple members, and usually has to have a lot of negative press to get things fixed.

Really the member who does the above should be the one banned, borders on theft using someones hard earned money for months when they knew they weren't ready to deliver.

Sounds like to me that the member is trying to protect others, whether or not that is their Job. Personally I find it funny as hell when people get taken by this scam after a few subtle warnings. Don't think you need to be over the top about it, unfortunately most of the past posts exposing this have been taken down.


~really amazed at Varney's ability to constantly find new supporters when the old ones leave him~
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You didn't answer my question, now did you???
 
cubswin said:
If the person they gave it to is known to take payment in full for items, and then takes months to deliver, then I think its just fine.

Especially if the person has done it multiple times, to multiple members, and usually has to have a lot of negative press to get things fixed.

Really the member who does the above should be the one banned, borders on theft using someones hard earned money for months when they knew they weren't ready to deliver.

Sounds like to me that the member is trying to protect others, whether or not that is their Job. Personally I find it funny as hell when people get taken by this scam after a few subtle warnings. Don't think you need to be over the top about it, unfortunately most of the past posts exposing this have been taken down.


~really amazed at Varney's ability to constantly find new supporters when the old ones leave him~
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It's like this .. Every custom I ever ordered and I have had alot of cue's, I have always left a deposite to let the builder know I was serious about buying the cue. On the low end cue's wich are only a couple hundred dollars they mostly required half down and then the rest when cue was finished. The upper end stuff was always half or what ever I could afford at the time fron some cuemakers. I only ever had one cuemaker that didn't ask for money down, and even sent me the cue before I sent payment. Only because I gave them instructions of what I was looking for and the time manner I was looking for, And i was told he didn't know if it would be done before then because of back orders and he was behind at the time. Then 9 months later it was done, with out the deposite. But that was only one instance. All the rest I sent some sort of deposite no matter who the builder...... Why should it be ok for someone to give a bad I-trader that never had a deal with someone ??????Why should it be ok for someone to give a person RED REP, for posting their opinion ????? Why should it be ok for someone to harrass someone for buying a cue from a cuemaker ??? <<<<<ED
 
ARROWCRUSHER said:
It's like this .. Every custom I ever ordered and I have had alot of cue's, I have always left a deposite to let the builder know I was serious about buying the cue. On the low end cue's wich are only a couple hundred dollars they mostly required half down and then the rest when cue was finished. The upper end stuff was always half or what ever I could afford at the time fron some cuemakers. I only ever had one cuemaker that didn't ask for money down, and even sent me the cue before I sent payment. Only because I gave them instructions of what I was looking for and the time manner I was looking for, And i was told he didn't know if it would be done before then because of back orders and he was behind at the time. Then 9 months later it was done, with out the deposite. But that was only one instance. All the rest I sent some sort of deposite no matter who the builder...... Why should it be ok for someone to give a bad I-trader that never had a deal with someone ??????Why should it be ok for someone to give a person RED REP, for posting their opinion ????? Why should it be ok for someone to harrass someone for buying a cue from a cuemaker ??? <<<<<ED
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I just answered with my opinion. Would I do it, nope. In this paticular case there has been a lot of people that feel like they got screwed around. The person that generated this thread, doesn't like the fact that bad itrader was left a month ago. The person who got the bad rating could complain and get it removed if they wanted. That is up to them. Just a member trying to look out for others, right or wrong.

Personally I don't like deposits, and don't generally buy from cuemakers who want them unless they are very well established, and meet their delivery dates. I understand them on a pure custom design, that may not be able to be sold to anyone else. On a traditional design I don't like to give them, though I have with a few cuemakers. Most of the cues I want to buy the cuemaker could easily sell them to someone else if I didn't have the money. I've never not paid for a ordered cue on time though.
 
poolhustler said:
You didn't answer my question, now did you???
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If they are doing simply to be annoying yes they should be banned. If they did it out of some sense of warning other members of what they feel is a community then no they shouldn't be. Can think of some past members that would have used it out of nothing more than meaness. We all understand you love Varney, and feel the need to protect him. My feeling is he can take care of himself. I like his j/b cues, have had two of them. I won't deal directly with him, but I'm not knocking his cues. He may have his business practices straightened out, but I've thought that before only to be shown I was wrong. Wish him nothing but good luck.

As far as the person that you are trying to get banned, I've made comments that he didn't love about him as well. Still I think its up to the person with the bad rating to contact AzHousePro, or Mr. Wilson and get it resolved themselves.
 
feedback whiich affects ones ratings should only be given by those involved in the transaction. all other feedback can be fluff and force fed through the forum
 
cubswin said:
If they are doing simply to be annoying yes they should be banned. If they did it out of some sense of warning other members of what they feel is a community then no they shouldn't be. Can think of some past members that would have used it out of nothing more than meaness. We all understand you love Varney, and feel the need to protect him. My feeling is he can take care of himself. I like his j/b cues, have had two of them. I won't deal directly with him, but I'm not knocking his cues. He may have his business practices straightened out, but I've thought that before only to be shown I was wrong. Wish him nothing but good luck.

As far as the person that you are trying to get banned, I've made comments that he didn't love about him as well. Still I think its up to the person with the bad rating to contact AzHousePro, or Mr. Wilson and get it resolved themselves.
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I understand and respect your opinion. I also appreciate it. I didn't start this thread to start a war. I simply want to know the rules that we are all expected to play by, that 's all.

If anyone can give anyone bad iTrader for "whatever" reason, so be it.

Thank you for your thoughts!!

And, for the record, again...... I have never stated anything but my personal experiences with KV. He is a big boy, he needs to defend himself when the shit hits the fan, for whatever reason.

I have asked this question before and no one has stepped up, so I'll ask it again (maybe a new thread is is order for this??), but........

"Who has KV stolen from??" I know that he has had bad communication and has been late on some cues, but has he actually taken money from someone and then NEVER delivered a cue.

The reason I ask this is because some have called him a theif. That's a pretty serious charge!!! And, if that is true, he should be banned from AZ. I have never seen anyone actually say that that is fact.

As I have stated before, my dealings with KV have been great. The same as dealing with some other really high end makers!!

So, if stating my opinion about my "Personal" dealings with a cue maker makes me a KV lover, so be it. Its only my opinion and you know what they say about opinions. I feel the same way about Schrager, Carmeli, Prewitt, etc...

I also feel strongly that people should be able to read here on AZ and be warned about scammers and bad people to deal with. That is what is SOOO great about AZ. People here watch out for each other, that's awesome. But along with that, they should be able to read ALL opinions and then make an informed decision for themselves. That is exactly what I did with KV.

I read ALL the threads pertaining to him and followed all the issues. I saw that he had issues in the past and that he made some mistakes. I also saw that he was learning from them and trying hard as hell to get caught up on orders. He was no longer taking full payment, only a deposit and trying to shorten his lead times. So, I ordered from him and he has been great throughout the whole process.

Anyway, will you please answer my original question??

Thanks,

Russ....
 
Another thought. And a serious question.

Why are the only two negative iTraders he has gotten from people he has NOT dealt with???

If sooo many people have been burned by him, shouldn't he have a ton of bad iTrader??

Doesn't make sense to me.

Looking for honest, sincere answers!!

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