Original S-Series Schon 1981

Matt_24

Matt_24

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Does anyone own an original "S" series Schon from 1981 (the year of Schon's conception)? I believe it was one year after this that the R-Series was introduced and became the standard for quite a while.

If you do, please post a picture. I imagine these are extremely rare and collectible.
 
Matt_24 said:
Does anyone own an original "S" series Schon from 1981 (the year of Schon's conception)? I believe it was one year after this that the R-Series was introduced and became the standard for quite a while.

If you do, please post a picture. I imagine these are extremely rare and collectible.
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Hi Matt,

My good friend, hersheybarbilli (Bill) has a few, but I can't find the pics.

Like you indicated, they are hard to find because they only lasted one year and production was low. I spoke to Even about this, and he said Bob Runde felt this design was not durable enough, so he quickly re-tooled, introduced the "R" series, and Schon was off to the races.

Chris
 
Used to own the S3

When I used to work in Romine's pool room, where Schon cues came in to existence, I got one of the first S3 style cues. It played great. I sold it when I talked Bob into making me a custom, 1 of a kind cue that subsequently got stolen 5 years later.
 
Matt_24 said:
Does anyone own an original "S" series Schon from 1981 (the year of Schon's conception)? I believe it was one year after this that the R-Series was introduced and became the standard for quite a while.

If you do, please post a picture. I imagine these are extremely rare and collectible.
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I have a first year Schön. Looking at the brochure, I guess it's an S-7 (Implex joint), but the rings don't look quite the same. But, that could be because the colors of the phenolcs darkened over time.

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Fred
 

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Here's one...

Had this refinished by Schon last year...it's a 60 inch cue...plays fantastic too....it's unique for sure. I got it cheap...my buddies had no idea it was an old Schon cue...they thought the R series were the oldest models:D
 
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Cornerman said:
I have a first year Schön. Looking at the brochure, I guess it's an S-7 (Implex joint), but the rings don't look quite the same. But, that could be because the colors of the phenolcs darkened over time.

Fred
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Hey Fred, don't you also have a 60" Schon cue or is this it? Be anxious to see that one as well.
 
My good friend, hersheybarbilli (Bill) has a few, but I can't find the pics.

Chris. I sent you a couple pictures. If you could be so kind as to host them here for me. Thanks!
 
Hersheybarbilli said:
My good friend, hersheybarbilli (Bill) has a few, but I can't find the pics.

Chris. I sent you a couple pictures. If you could be so kind as to host them here for me. Thanks!
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Here you go - a couple of early cues including a Dallas West series:

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Cornerman said:
I have a first year Schön. Looking at the brochure, I guess it's an S-7 (Implex joint), but the rings don't look quite the same. But, that could be because the colors of the phenolcs darkened over time.

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Fred
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Fred,

I am pretty sure that your cue has a Gus Szamboti forearm - it has that look. Barry Szamboti informed me that Gus made some forearms for Schon early in the game. Your cue is one of the few Schons I've seen that have the characteristics of Gus' work.

Chris
 
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Fred,

I am pretty sure that your cue has a Gus Szamboti forearm - it has that look. Barry Szamboti informed me that Gus made some forearms for Schon early in the game. Your cue is one of the few Schons I've seen that have the characteristics of Gus' work.

Chris
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That's interesting, Bob told me that there was never any truth to that story. I've seen and played some of the very first Schon's that were made out of Romine's and they had all the flaws and imperfections of a new cuebuilder. I've never seen any points that I would have guessed were Gus points in a Schon.
 
pathman said:
That's interesting, Bob told me that there was never any truth to that story. I've seen and played some of the very first Schon's that were made out of Romine's and they had all the flaws and imperfections of a new cuebuilder. I've never seen any points that I would have guessed were Gus points in a Schon.
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That's what I thought and I stated so in a similar thread about 6 or 8 months ago. Then I received an e-mail from Barry correcting me. I've never asked Bob about it, but I just assumed that when they were overrun with orders in the early 1980's, they bought from suppliers when necessary. Barry said it wasn't a lot of forearms, but some.

When I look at the picture of Fred's cue, the points look longer than other Schons at the time. Considering the length of the points, the even outer and inner points, the clean miter of the veneers - the overall look reminds me of these other forearms that were Gus's work.

Here are a couple of Gus forearms, the top one from his earliest work, when the splices were shorter in the early 1970's and the bottom one when they were longer from the late 1970's, which is what I think Fred's resembles.

Chris

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TATE said:
Fred,

I am pretty sure that your cue has a Gus Szamboti forearm - it has that look. Barry Szamboti informed me that Gus made some forearms for Schon early in the game. Your cue is one of the few Schons I've seen that have the characteristics of Gus' work.

Chris
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Wow. I thought the same thing. That is, I've looked closely at this blank many times and was stunned how good "Runde blanks" were. LOL!!! What's the confirmation step?

This is the cue that was in my team Captain's bar office for years. When he showed it to me, I laid it down on a table and I put $300 on the table and asked him to pick up whichever he wanted.

Fred
 
TATE said:
If I give you any more rep, I would be a groupie!!!
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Chris,
I read the BEN HOGAN book again that you gifted me. Today I "payed it forward" to a buddy. Man...what a good read! Thanks again pal.
 
Cornerman said:
Wow. I thought the same thing. That is, I've looked closely at this blank many times and was stunned how good "Runde blanks" were. LOL!!! What's the confirmation step?

This is the cue that was in my team Captain's bar office for years. When he showed it to me, I laid it down on a table and I put $300 on the table and asked him to pick up whichever he wanted.

Fred
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Fred,

It's a very nice old Schon collectible cue there. While Schon prices aren't drastically high, it seems like more and more collectors are picking up prime examples of the early cues.

It sure would be nice if we could clear up this Schon/Szamboti connection first to make sue that everybody is recalling things correctly.

If it is a Szamboti forearm, then it's very rare on a Schon. My friend Bill and I have looked at a lot of Schons and I think I recall we maybe found one other that could have been a Szamboti forearm. If so, Barry probably will recognize it. You should be able to just send it to him (with a call first). I am sure he will be happy to look at it for you.

Runde built some great forearms too and the differences are very subtle. I don't think anyone can tell us with 100% certainty who's work it is, but I think Barry can recognize Gus' forearms with a high percentage of accuracy. he worked on a lot of them and he's about the only one who can ID it with any certainty.

Anyway, it already is a nice historic cue, but if it's a Szamboti forearm, then it's even more so.


Chris
 
There was an older Richard Black on ebay earlier this week that I would swear had Szamboti points. I mean, this cue LOOKED identical to a Szamboti - plus the Richard Black signature. It was taken down early I think.....but I was going to bid on it, and hope nobody else noticed (heheheh). Opening bid was only $800. Oh well...gone now.

Fred, that is a gorgeous cue. What a great find!

Tate, would you mind linking us to some pics of your Szam?

Thanks.
 
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