Ortmann-Hall of Fame
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TheOne said:The EuroTour certainly isn't the most diverse tournament on the planet, even though it probably has players from 50 countries players on it, most Asians and Americans don't bother. Why, maybe the fact that the risk rewards are just to great, although I suspect the some may just not like European Camels !
I know Mika struggled on it to even make the top 32, SEE Huidji who just came 2nd in a world championships has a best of 9th on any Euro Tour recently. GAMA Manuel who came 5th in the 10 ball world cahmps has a best of 49th! BOYES Karl who kicked ass on the IPT has finished 65th in has last two tries and marcus Chamat has only made the last 32 one out of his last 32 attempts.
There is no question the EuroTour as the toughest tour on the planet.
As for the German titles, there is no question German as a pool playing nation is as good if not better than the US in recent times. If an American, lets say Kieth Reyes won only 10 American (closed US Nationals only fields) titles I think there would be an aweful lot of people calling for an iduction to a certain famous hall!
Good points here.
I would add that Ralph hasn't won an EuroTour event since late 2003, and Oliver since mid 2004.
Ralf and Oliver have both had 22 tries since last trophy, as Ralf have missed two events cos of KOTH 2005 and Mosconi Cup 2006.
Mika hasn't won since -95, Thorsten has won it once, immediately after his WPC, at 2003.
Of course Mika and Thorsten are playing mostly in US, and especially Mika you see rearly nowadays in EuroTour, but when he played there again more regularly at 2004-2005, his high finish was 5th, and lowest 65th.
Then again, as the original topic was what it was, most of Oliver's wins are from the 90's, when the level was way way lower.
If you check www.eurotour.nu and click Hall Of Fame (ironical, isn't it
), you'll find out that when thay started it at -92, and when Oliver started to play at it, -93, you can see how the dominated it with Ralph.
TheOne said:
You're not defending anything. You have chosen to target me by labeling me a racist, something which I have stated to you repeatedly that I find offensive.
TheOne said:Good I got a special salute ready so you can speak to my hand, just need a uniform now
A hand? You want to defend yourself with your hand? Well, I've got a one-fingered salute I can fire back at you with my hand.
Be sure to wear that uniform of yours, so that when you come to the pool tournament, you can pretend to be a pool player.
TheOne said:...Your women comments just make u look silly, she's a model who posed for the photos and made her own choice to have implants. Come on now admit it, its the British flag on an American forum thats really got your knickers in a twist?
Has nothing to do with the British flag. The avatar is vulgar for women to have to look at.
JAM
i210mfu said:Side remark......
Kathie Price is just the British answer to Pamela Anderson, or Anna Nicole Smith.... right ?
To me all of them willingly blew up the boobs to get recognition... It was their choice ..... One can like or dislike it ... that is personal choice..
Hey at least you know Jordon's not a country!
Yes she's had several operations and craves attention. She stars in many reality shows and is Married to Ozzie singer Peter Andre. I think there must be a lot of women haters out there with her picture on the wall, I'm sure she hates them all spending money on her image
JAM said:
You're right I have a voodoo doll and a harry potter book of spells. I've been sat under a wet tree for a week chanting and huming trying to force you to attack me first in all these threads just so I can reply to you! You got me, my plan is rumbled!
Pretend? I'm crap at it, I work for a living too and I suck at poker! I did play in one or two small tournaments in the last 3 months though, but hey gotta work to pay the bills right? I can't just sit at home all day doing nothing!
Marvel said:Good points here.
I would add that Ralph hasn't won an EuroTour event since late 2003, and Oliver since mid 2004.
Ralf and Oliver have both had 22 tries since last trophy, as Ralf have missed two events cos of KOTH 2005 and Mosconi Cup 2006.
Mika hasn't won since -95, Thorsten has won it once, immediately after his WPC, at 2003.
Of course Mika and Thorsten are playing mostly in US, and especially Mika you see rearly nowadays in EuroTour, but when he played there again more regularly at 2004-2005, his high finish was 5th, and lowest 65th.
Then again, as the original topic was what it was, most of Oliver's wins are from the 90's, when the level was way way lower.
If you check www.eurotour.nu and click Hall Of Fame (ironical, isn't it
This is not interesting! This topic has changed so please Marvel try to focus!
TheOne said:You're right I have a voodoo doll and a harry potter book of spells. I've been sat under a wet tree for a week chanting and huming trying to force you to attack me first in all these threads just so I can reply to you! You got me, my plan is rumbled!
Pretend? I'm crap at it, I work for a living too and I suck at poker! I did play in one or two small tournaments in the last 3 months though, but hey gotta work to pay the bills right? I can't just sit at home all day doing nothing!
Better not quit your day job then.
Hopefully, I'll be in Virginia, come this October. If you decide you want to compete in OPEN tournament -- you know, the kind we have here in the States where players from around the world are welcome -- I hope you decide to make the trek to the other side of the pond.
I will not need a uniform or a hand when I address you. I won't be hard to find, and you won't be either.
JAM
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lovely pic lol,
Nah won't be at the open I've just had my 3 months playing Pro Pool, strange I didn't see you or your boyfriend at any of the tournaments though? I'm just a pretend player, why wasn't he there? I might be in Manila(not America, its in Asia) for the world champs in November though, I assume you and your proper pool player will be there of course?
Didn't he play Oliver in the IPT once also, what was the score again? I wonder is that the reason why you try to dismiss Olivers record or is it just because he's "disgusting" to you?
You seem to be very good at sitting behind a PC and criticising pool players and pool in general. Do you play pool, are you a proper pool player?
I'd like to be a proper player full time but I just can't find a sucker to support me!
Nah won't be at the open I've just had my 3 months playing Pro Pool, strange I didn't see you or your boyfriend at any of the tournaments though? I'm just a pretend player, why wasn't he there? I might be in Manila(not America, its in Asia) for the world champs in November though, I assume you and your proper pool player will be there of course?
Didn't he play Oliver in the IPT once also, what was the score again? I wonder is that the reason why you try to dismiss Olivers record or is it just because he's "disgusting" to you?
You seem to be very good at sitting behind a PC and criticising pool players and pool in general. Do you play pool, are you a proper pool player?
I'd like to be a proper player full time but I just can't find a sucker to support me!
It's time for the moderators to step up to the plate and put an end to this petty argument that JAM and TheOne are engaged in.
TheOne said:lovely pic lol,
Is it lovely? To each their own. I am glad you enjoy it.
TheOne said:
So now you attack Keith McCready, because he is my boyfriend, in an effort to target me.
TheOne said:
I don't see a need for me to explain to you anything about Keith. That is not what this thread is about. Yet, you have dragged his name in this thread.
Keith's reasons for not playing pool in recent times are multi-faceted, but one thing for sure, you, Craig Riley, could play pool your entire life and you will never be the player that Keith was yesterday, is today, and will continue to be tomorrow.
TheOne said:
Nope, I don't like to fly in airplanes. The players representing America will be selected based on a ranking system of the UPA, the current governing body of pool in the United States, as well as the Matchroom Sports qualifications. Keith is not a member of the UPA. FWIW, though, he was invited by a representative of Matchroom Sports to compete in a couple of their events, but the logistics weren't right at the time for him to attend.
TheOne said:
My reasons for "dismissing" Oliver's record has nothing to do with him being a pool champion. It was in reference to his tournament wins being a measuring stick for him to be admitted into the BCA Hall of Fame.
I mentioned the listed tournament wins on his portfolio, some of which were nationality-restricted wins, should not be given the same weight as other championship titles.
As far as Oliver playing Keith at the IPT, I was not there if it happened in Reno. I don't think this thread is about Keith's strengths as a pool player versus Oliver's strengths as a pool player. Today, Keith is 50 years old. If Oliver had played against Keith when Keith was in his prime, I don't think Oliver would have liked it very much.
TheOne said:
Yes, I do play pool, but I am not a professional pool player.
THeOne said:I'd like to be a proper player full time but I just can't find a sucker to support me!
So now you are taking swipes at Keith McCready, a pool player who doesn't even know you. Shame on you. Your true colors finally come through for all to see.
JAM
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TheOne said:lovely pic lol,
Nah won't be at the open I've just had my 3 months playing Pro Pool, strange I didn't see you or your boyfriend at any of the tournaments though? I'm just a pretend player, why wasn't he there? I might be in Manila(not America, its in Asia) for the world champs in November though, I assume you and your proper pool player will be there of course?
Didn't he play Oliver in the IPT once also, what was the score again? I wonder is that the reason why you try to dismiss Olivers record or is it just because he's "disgusting" to you?
You seem to be very good at sitting behind a PC and criticising pool players and pool in general. Do you play pool, are you a proper pool player?
I'd like to be a proper player full time but I just can't find a sucker to support me!
Now that was below the belt The One. I am going to have to penalize you one ball and please don't do it again or I will tell em how you tried to pick me up in the men's room that time. If that wasn't you, I apologize. Do the words, "I might be fat but I don't do that" ring a bell?
Purdman
Sure looked like you!
Im not taking swipes at anyone. You keep comparing me to Kieth, saying I'm pretend and kieth is a proper player. The only reason you think Oliver shouldnt be in an American Hall of Fame is because he's not American, admit it!
He's won two world titles and two US OPENS! I think its crazy that you can compare a German national title to a Joss tour event.
When/If your pool governing body get round to running a US Nationals event, ask the winner if he thinks its the same as winning a Joss event?
Or do you think American pool is better than German pool?
(I can't believe I'm defending the Germans hehe)
Anyway you had the first two attacks on me in this thread and I will try and ignore you last few. Its back on track now, lets see if you can keep it that way?
He's won two world titles and two US OPENS! I think its crazy that you can compare a German national title to a Joss tour event.
When/If your pool governing body get round to running a US Nationals event, ask the winner if he thinks its the same as winning a Joss event?
Or do you think American pool is better than German pool?
(I can't believe I'm defending the Germans hehe)
Anyway you had the first two attacks on me in this thread and I will try and ignore you last few. Its back on track now, lets see if you can keep it that way?
Purdman said:Now that was below the belt The One. I am going to have to penalize you one ball and please don't do it again or I will tell em how you tried to pick me up in the men's room that time. If that wasn't you, I apologize. Do the words, "I might be fat but I don't do that" ring a bell?
Purdman
Sure looked like you!
How would you remember me, I had my head between my legs with my hands on the floor!
Ok ok so there was some heavy petting but it was dark in there...wasn't it?
TheOne said:
I never compared you to Keith McCready. In fact, the first time his name was brought up in this thread was by you.
I never stated Keith is a "proper player," never even used the words "proper player."
You do seem to be aware of how well your shoes fit, though.
TheOne said:
Don't try to turn this thread into something that it isn't to suit your need to insult me. When confronted with your untruths, you dragged Keith McCready's name in a derogatory manner on this thread, a pool player who doesn't know you from Adam or Eve.
Oliver not being American never even entered my mind as far as induction into the BCA Hall of Fame. I have already stated my opinions for why I think some of Oliver's tournament wins listed previously in this thread should not be given the same weight as other championship titles.
JAM
I never said a bad word about Kieth, as far as I'm concerned he's great. I'm replying to you, I even quoted the word u keep using "boyfriend" just to be sure
You attacked me twice before I entered the thread, you brought my name up several times, you're obsessed. Then you accuse me of attacking you! Do you even read your own posts, do you remember what you write? What do you want me to do keep ignoring your attacks?
Answer me this, why did you attack me twice in this thread when my name/avatar/anything to do with me wasn't anywhere within it? Will you answer? Can you explain this? Who wants a bet?
You attacked me twice before I entered the thread, you brought my name up several times, you're obsessed. Then you accuse me of attacking you! Do you even read your own posts, do you remember what you write? What do you want me to do keep ignoring your attacks?
Answer me this, why did you attack me twice in this thread when my name/avatar/anything to do with me wasn't anywhere within it? Will you answer? Can you explain this? Who wants a bet?
TheOne said:
You continue to speak untruths.
You posted about Keith in a negative manner, and he has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
This thread isn't about America versus Europe.
This thread isn't about Oliver Ortmann versus Keith McCready.
I am restricted by forum rules to express my thoughts at this juncture. I think you know where we stand. I will see you on the tournament trail someday, and so will Keith.
JAM
TheOne said:
You think this is a game, tit for tat, on this thread?
I don't see a need to explain anything to somebody who is trying to insult me and mine on this thread.
You have no desire to have a productive colloquy on here. Rather, you want to make up crap, twist words, and espouse nasty comments about players you know nothing about, changing the direction of this thread into something that it should not be.
I will continue this dialogue with you in person sine die. We'll see who will be "playing the victim" then.
JAM