Outsville techno dud vs. Elkmaster milk dud

I have them both on two of my cues , its a Ford , Chevy or Dodge sort of thing or which girl is the prettiest ha ha they both hit a ball very well transferring english very well in my opinion a miss cue from either was a brief time where I didn't do my part paying attention to how I was stroking the cue to in turn hit the shot .

Both hold chalk well ( Masters Flag chalk ) and I normally chalk up before each shot .

Neither have mushroomed so it boils down to which is most readily available and that you like the looks of and will in turn give you confidence in using it in a game .
 
A sharp blade is important for installing any tips, but it's even more important on the Outsville. A dull blade will ruin one. The good thing is blades are cheap.

I've tried both, made some of my own. Both are good. In all honesty @pooldawg8 makes some awesome duds. His are every bit as good or better than the technoduds. I can make them but mine are inconsistent. Out of 6 tips I get 2 magic ones and 4 decent ones. I've just started ordering from him because I know they all have that "magic" in them.
 
Rusty in Montana said:
I have them both on two of my cues , its a Ford , Chevy or Dodge sort of thing or which girl is the prettiest ha ha they both hit a ball very well transferring english very well in my opinion a miss cue from either was a brief time where I didn't do my part paying attention to how I was stroking the cue to in turn hit the shot .

Both hold chalk well ( Masters Flag chalk ) and I normally chalk up before each shot .

Neither have mushroomed so it boils down to which is most readily available and that you like the looks of and will in turn give you confidence in using it in a game .
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Sir Rusty, how would you describe the sound?
 
boogieman said:
A sharp blade is important for installing any tips, but it's even more important on the Outsville. A dull blade will ruin one. The good thing is blades are cheap.

I've tried both, made some of my own. Both are good. In all honesty @pooldawg8 makes some awesome duds. His are every bit as good or better than the technoduds. I can make them but mine are inconsistent. Out of 6 tips I get 2 magic ones and 4 decent ones. I've just started ordering from him because I know they all have that "magic" in them.
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Unfortunaley, he only sells them in the states and I got a friend outside of it thats interested...do you know a less patriotic source..? ;)
 
Hello , first off you need to remember that I'm a bit hard of hearing not as bad a Shane but close ha ha !
However I'd compare it to the sound of a well placed bullet on a big game animal or close to it when not using a magnum rifle but close , the feel that is transferred back to your hands confirmed a good hit to the cue ball .
 
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hello said:
Unfortunaley, he only sells them in the states and I got a friend outside of it thats interested...do you know a less patriotic source..? ;)
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Where is your friend? If it’s Canada there are services that give you a post box at the US side of the border and will bring your package into Canada. Can be picked up here or mailed out by the service. I’ve used to get tips and free shipping on a shaft I bought.
 
hello said:
Ok, google...what a great tip, why did I not think of that...
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Well generally if someone gives advice on a product and it's not available in your country you should do a little legwork. I'm not here to spoon feed you. I gave my opinion on the subject at hand.

Don't be lazy, figure out a way to make it work. I mean, I've made my own milk duds with a press I bought on ebay. I'm sure you are capable of doing the same thing if you can't manage to use google good enough to find a domestic supplier.

Really though, I have no idea where you live, do you want me to wax poetic on where to purchase pool items in Cambodia? Surely you understand how silly this seems? Make another post with the subject "I live in X country, where can I buy milk duds" and maybe someone can answer if you're unable to do the simple leg work.

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boogieman said:
Well generally if someone gives advice on a product and it's not available in your country you should do a little legwork. I'm not here to spoon feed you. I gave my opinion on the subject at hand.

Don't be lazy, figure out a way to make it work. I mean, I've made my own milk duds with a press I bought on ebay. I'm sure you are capable of doing the same thing if you can't manage to use google good enough to find a domestic supplier.

Really though, I have no idea where you live, do you want me to wax poetic on where to purchase pool items in Cambodia? Surely you understand how silly this seems? Make another post with the subject "I live in X country, where can I buy milk duds" and maybe someone can answer if you're unable to do the simple leg work.
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Well, I don't know if recommending google is an opinion or just the first thought that popped into your brain...

And there is a difference between spoon feeding and posting useless ''info''..?I mean, you couldn't possibly be as stupid as to think I did not google and research the matter before issuing my post..?

Also, why not spoon feed if you have a source, which apparently you don't..?Did your mommy not do it to you and now you feel everyone else
shouldn't be either..?

And since I don't know what the quality of your tips are, but knowing how a reputable member makes his which ain't all that easy, your second advice is worthless as well, I am afraid..

But recommending stating the country I am living in is about as dumb as it gets as I am not looking to buy them in my country only and if you knew anything about the matter you woulda found out that there are few sources for them anyway...


But thank you very much for your time and effort, always a pleasure to be in touch with one of the forum's brightest members...
 
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Regarding where you can get milk duds? Here is my list:

PoolDawg:__________Outsville Techno-Dud $12 probably from Elk Master
PoolDawg8: _______Milk Dud from Elk Master tips $3 each but minimum order three tips and $6 shipping
Cue Components: The Notorious Barringer Elk Duds from Elk Master tips $6
Outsville: _________Techno-Dud 2
Others _____________????
Make them yourself: PoolDawg8's buttermilk recipe for making milk duds from a May 2023 AZ discussion. Maybe you can buy his 6-tip press. Watch YouTube

pooldawg8

Post in thread 'Soaking Leather Tips'

ShootingArts said:
Been a long time since I experimented with duds. Supposedly it is the binder in milk or cream that makes leather more consistent. It isn't the milk fat so going from low fat to high fat products doesn't have much effect on how well the milk product binds with leather. I have tried from two percent to cream without much different result except it being harder to soak tips in thicker liquids.

Others have used oils or solvents on tips, or so they claimed. No idea if there is truth to these claims.

My tips seemed to work best when I soaked them in whole milk for three to five days in the...
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ShootingArts said:
Been a long time since I experimented with duds. Supposedly it is the binder in milk or cream that makes leather more consistent. It isn't the milk fat so going from low fat to high fat products doesn't have much effect on how well the milk product binds with leather. I have tried from two percent to cream without much different result except it being harder to soak tips in thicker liquids.

Others have used oils or solvents on tips, or so they claimed. No idea if there is truth to these claims.

My tips seemed to work best when I soaked them in whole milk for three to five days in the refrigerator. I tried really crushing down on the tips and didn't like them. I wasn't really looking for a harder tip, just more durable. so I flattened down to about stock height.

I started sorting my Elkmaster's by size and weight before soaking. The ones that were extremely light hit the trash can. I needed a tip a time or two when I didn't have a dudded tip handy and found that the tips sorted by size and weight played just fine for me without dudding.

In my sampling I didn't like Le Pro. Quite obviously others had different experiences. Hides being natural products the leather can vary a lot from hide to hide and place on the hide too. Then there seems to be dozens of tanning processes. The leather is often in different stages of decomposition before tanning too.

I would have thought that a synthetic would have taken over from leather long ago. The new super pricey layered tips may bring in some things that weren't possible to price competitively with fifty cent leather tips. Of course some rules ban nonleather tips.

Dudding seems to make some marginal tips playable. If I sort and start with good tips the milk or whatever seems to have little room to be absorbed. Some tips swell to maybe three times their original height but I question what all they have absorbed to do that, and does it remain in the tip after squeezed?

Hu
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pooldawg8 said:
Really good points Hu I did a lot of test sampling, time soaked, days in press & so on. What I came up with was (for my persoanl opinion) I soak the tips in buttermilk for 4 days in the fridge, 4 days of pressing them (tighten the tip press) a little each day, then letting them set overnight, then doing a bite test on each & everyone of them. Spongy tips go in the trash can, harder tips seem to be more to my liking. Have a good holiday wkd everybody.
Jeff
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Paul_#_ said:
Regarding where you can get milk duds? Here is my list:

PoolDawg:__________Outsville Techno-Dud $12 probably from Elk Master
PoolDawg8: _______Milk Dud from Elk Master tips $3 each but minimum order three tips and $6 shipping
Cue Components: The Notorious Barringer Elk Duds from Elk Master tips $6
Outsville: _________Techno-Dud 2
Others _____________????
Make them yourself: PoolDawg8's buttermilk recipe for making milk duds from a May 2023 AZ discussion. Maybe you can buy his 6-tip press. Watch YouTube

pooldawg8

Post in thread 'Soaking Leather Tips'

ShootingArts said:
Been a long time since I experimented with duds. Supposedly it is the binder in milk or cream that makes leather more consistent. It isn't the milk fat so going from low fat to high fat products doesn't have much effect on how well the milk product binds with leather. I have tried from two percent to cream without much different result except it being harder to soak tips in thicker liquids.

Others have used oils or solvents on tips, or so they claimed. No idea if there is truth to these claims.

My tips seemed to work best when I soaked them in whole milk for three to five days in the...
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Thanks a lot for the info, much appraciated :)

I'd like to get the ones made from pooldawg8, just need to figure out a way to get the delivered outside the states.I like the whole process his tips undergo and I'm sure he put a lot of thought into it...

Have you tried any or all the tips from your list and if so what is your opinion..?
 
hello said:
Well, I don't know if recommending google is an opinion or just the first thought that popped into your brain...

And there is a difference between spoon feeding and posting useless ''info''..?I mean, you couldn't possibly be as stupid as to think I did not google and research the matter before issuing my post..?

Also, why not spoon feed if you have a source, which apparently you don't..?Did your mommy not do it to you and now you feel everyone else
shouldn't be either..?

And since I don't know what the quality of your tips are, but knowing how a reputable member makes his which ain't all that easy, your second advice is worthless as well, I am afraid..

But recommending stating the country I am living in is about as dumb as it gets as I am not looking to buy them in my country only and if you knew anything about the matter you woulda found out that there are few sources for them anyway...
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Check at Mueller darts and Pool,
When Ryan Theewan worked there at Muellers ,
He made for the company a milk dud tip called "Dudley tip....
I bought 10 or so, and they were very consistent in size and playability and quality,
I would of liked the tip to be a little firmer for my tip preference.
 
Paul_#_ said:
Regarding where you can get milk duds? Here is my list:

PoolDawg:__________Outsville Techno-Dud $12 probably from Elk Master
PoolDawg8: _______Milk Dud from Elk Master tips $3 each but minimum order three tips and $6 shipping
Cue Components: The Notorious Barringer Elk Duds from Elk Master tips $6
Outsville: _________Techno-Dud 2
Others _____________????
Make them yourself: PoolDawg8's buttermilk recipe for making milk duds from a May 2023 AZ discussion. Maybe you can buy his 6-tip press. Watch YouTube

pooldawg8

Post in thread 'Soaking Leather Tips'

ShootingArts said:
Been a long time since I experimented with duds. Supposedly it is the binder in milk or cream that makes leather more consistent. It isn't the milk fat so going from low fat to high fat products doesn't have much effect on how well the milk product binds with leather. I have tried from two percent to cream without much different result except it being harder to soak tips in thicker liquids.

Others have used oils or solvents on tips, or so they claimed. No idea if there is truth to these claims.

My tips seemed to work best when I soaked them in whole milk for three to five days in the...
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Hey Paul
You posted that my milk dud tips are $3 each and $6 for mailing cost. That was a few months ago. I have changed my pricing and USPS rates have rising as well, so had to chnage that price as well. My new tip price is $5 per tip and $8 for mailing cost. Have a nice day
Jeff
 
Paul_#_ said:
See the Dudley tip below BUT Mueller's ordering system bombs with that item. Same thing with Triangle 15mm cue tips. Have they been discontinued? Even Tweeten, manufacturer of Triangle, doesn't have Triangle 15mm tips on its website.

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Maybe get in touch with Ryan Theewan at RAT CUSTOM CUES....
Ryan made the dudley tips at Muellers.
perhaps he is making similar tip under His own name and a line of cue tips????
 
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