over cutting on one side...under cutting on the other?

Wheels33

Wheels33

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Hello there,


When I shoot a cut shot of any angle on one side of the table, then set up the mirror image of that same cut....I notice that cutting the object ball right to left I have a tendency to over cut the ball when I miss, and the mirror angle I tend to under cut the ball when I miss.

I'm using a measle ball and don't see any side spin on the ball when I'm hitting. Just curious if it's a general indicator of something I'm doing in my alignment? stroke? etc...
 
Just a guess but it sounds like your 'vision' is not over your cue.

The guy you need to talk to is Gene Albrecht of Perfect Aim.

He goes by genomachino here & he just posted in a couple of threads in the main.
 
Assuming it's not a twisting issue, since you wrote that the cue ball isn't spinning --- It sounds like you have a severely dominant right eye that's taking over your aiming process.

As a result, you may be placing the cue under the outside of your right eye. This pretty much takes the left eye out of the picture, and you can lose perspective of where the center of the cue ball is. I suspect that you are aiming slightly left of center and thinking you're seeing the center.

The correction involves a little tweaking here and there. You can try placing your cue stick under the inside of your right eye to give you a better perspective on where the center of the cue ball is.

You should also watch your approach. You are probably also setting up your stance for a slightly left of center aim point.

How do I know this? I have the same issue.
 
ENGLISH! said:
Just a guess but it sounds like your 'vision' is not over your cue.

The guy you need to talk to is Gene Albrecht of Perfect Aim.

He goes by genomachino here & he just posted in a couple of threads in the main.
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I got his DVD about 6 months ago....maybe I missed something, but it just seemed like the same stuff I read on Billiards University.

I never did call him though....I should try that, and see what he thinks.
 
FranCrimi said:
Assuming it's not a twisting issue, since you wrote that the cue ball isn't spinning --- It sounds like you have a severely dominant right eye that's taking over your aiming process.

As a result, you may be placing the cue under the outside of your right eye. This pretty much takes the left eye out of the picture, and you can lose perspective of where the center of the cue ball is. I suspect that you are aiming slightly left of center and thinking you're seeing the center.

The correction involves a little tweaking here and there. You can try placing your cue stick under the inside of your right eye to give you a better perspective on where the center of the cue ball is.

You should also watch your approach. You are probably also setting up your stance for a slightly left of center aim point.

How do I know this? I have the same issue.
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Hey Fran, thanks for the reply...

I guess it's pretty hard without seeing me shoot.

I do keep the cue stick under the center of my chin.

Don't know if it means anything.....but I've set up the straight in shot 'vision center' alignment drill from Billiards University, and I shoot full length stop shots without any side spin about 80% of the time.

Actual center ball to me looks like the tip is just a hair to the left of center. No matter how I position my eyes, I can't get my eyes to ever see true center ball as the actual center of the ball.

Not sure if that info narrows it down.
 
Wheels33 said:
I got his DVD about 6 months ago....maybe I missed something, but it just seemed like the same stuff I read on Billiards University.

I never did call him though....I should try that, and see what he thinks.
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Definitely PM Gene first & set up a time for the phone call when you can be at a table.

That may be the most important part other than if he could be with you in person.

Gene recommends calling him first even before one watches the DVD.

I'm almost positive that Gene can help you.

Best Wishes for You & Yours.
 
Wheels,

You may want to get one of those marked cue balls to use for practicing seeing the tip at true center doing it for about 21 days in a row.

But still set up the phone lesson with Gene.
 
ENGLISH! said:
Definitely PM Gene first & set up a time for the phone call when you can be at a table.

That may be the most important part other than if he could be with you in person.

Gene recommends calling him first even before one watches the DVD.

I'm almost positive that Gene can help you.

Best Wishes for You & Yours.
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Great....I'll give it a shot.


Thanks!
 
Wheels33 said:
Hey Fran, thanks for the reply...

I guess it's pretty hard without seeing me shoot.

I do keep the cue stick under the center of my chin.

Don't know if it means anything.....but I've set up the straight in shot 'vision center' alignment drill from Billiards University, and I shoot full length stop shots without any side spin about 80% of the time.

Actual center ball to me looks like the tip is just a hair to the left of center. No matter how I position my eyes, I can't get my eyes to ever see true center ball as the actual center of the ball.

Not sure if that info narrows it down.
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I think that very few people actually see center the way it actually is. Did you always keep the cue under the center of your chin, or was that a recent change?

If I were you, I'd experiment a bit with the cue slightly under the dominant eye and see how things go.
 
Another thought from my relatively recent experience is that somewhere in time when I 'went' from right eye dominant to left eye dominant & not knowing it...

I subconsciously was bringing the cue more to my left eye & that put my forearm slightly angled in toward my hip.

After learning, through Gene, that I am indeed, for pool, left eye dominant, I've made adjustments to get my left eye over the cue & not the cue under my left eye.

It's a small thing but the pieces need to fit so the stroke is still sound & not 'steering' but still stroking straight.

It was that lil bit of unitended right english when playing one pocket that lead to my discoveries about my eyes.
 
FranCrimi said:
I think that very few people actually see center the way it actually is. Did you always keep the cue under the center of your chin, or was that a recent change?

If I were you, I'd experiment a bit with the cue slightly under the dominant eye and see how things go.
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I've always had it under the center of my chin. I did do a dominant eye test...the results were left eye dominant. I've tried the cue under my left eye, under my right eye and everywhere in between, but on a straight in shot...the cue looks like it's going down the center of the shot line only when I have it under the center of my chin.

I've been using the joe tucker third eye trainer to know I'm hitting true center ball...the cue under my chin feels best when using that.
 
is more pronounced on harder hit shots? draw shots vs. follow? do the spot to spot drill to find out. also try doing drill where you just look at object ball the whole time from standing to being down in stance.
 
Wheels33 said:
I've always had it under the center of my chin. I did do a dominant eye test...the results were left eye dominant. I've tried the cue under my left eye, under my right eye and everywhere in between, but on a straight in shot...the cue looks like it's going down the center of the shot line only when I have it under the center of my chin.

I've been using the joe tucker third eye trainer to know I'm hitting true center ball...the cue under my chin feels best when using that.
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I'm totally confused. If you're over-cutting left to right shots and under-cutting right to left shots, then you're hitting the cue ball left of center --- relative to the shot line. If you're seeing left of center as center, then that's a dominant right eye issue. So, my only guess is that you're not experiencing what you think you are or I'm just not understanding what you mean. Either way, good luck in figuring it out. I know how tough these things can be.
 
Only 3 options:

1)You apply unwanted left side spin

2) in case you don't apply left side spin and you are left eye dominant then you are standing too square behind the shot in your stance (presuming you are a right handed player and/or have the cue not under the perfect spot of your vision center in your set position.
Corrections: turn your body clockwise to get your left eye more over your line of aim in your stance and bend down in a way that your left eye is more (or even completely over your cue in your set position!

3) you are a righty and pivot from left to right on all shots. On cut shots to the left this pivot motion will engance the cut (thinnens the shot)
Whereas on cut shots to the right this motion will thicken the shot!

Best regards Ekkes
author of the See-System and author if Samba for pool!




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theUBC said:
Only 3 options:

1)You apply unwanted left side spin

2) in case you don't apply left side spin and you are left eye dominant then you are standing too square behind the shot in your stance (presuming you are a right handed player and/or have the cue not under the perfect spot of your vision center in your set position.
Corrections: turn your body clockwise to get your left eye more over your line of aim in your stance and bend down in a way that your left eye is more (or even completely over your cue in your set position!

3) you are a righty and pivot from left to right on all shots. On cut shots to the left this pivot motion will engance the cut (thinnens the shot)
Whereas on cut shots to the right this motion will thicken the shot!

Best regards Ekkes
author of the See-System and author if Samba for pool!

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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#2 above is what I had to & did do after playing for nearly 50 years with a rather square stance. I had always liked my eyes 'square' perhaps due do being right handed when hitting a baseball & being right eye 'dominant' for most things it seems other than pool.

Like Fran said, good luck in finding YOUR cause & YOUR solution.
 
theUBC said:
Only 3 options:

1)You apply unwanted left side spin

2) in case you don't apply left side spin and you are left eye dominant then you are standing too square behind the shot in your stance (presuming you are a right handed player and/or have the cue not under the perfect spot of your vision center in your set position.
Corrections: turn your body clockwise to get your left eye more over your line of aim in your stance and bend down in a way that your left eye is more (or even completely over your cue in your set position!

3) you are a righty and pivot from left to right on all shots. On cut shots to the left this pivot motion will engance the cut (thinnens the shot)
Whereas on cut shots to the right this motion will thicken the shot!

Best regards Ekkes
author of the See-System and author if Samba for pool!

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I've never thought about #3 & doing something different depending on the cut direction until Gene Albrecht hooked up with me... but I'm not comfortable using different eyes for different directions.

I'll give this 'pivot' thing a try & "SEE" how it feels & what if any different results it may yield.

Thanks Sir.
 
theUBC said:
Only 3 options:

1)You apply unwanted left side spin

2) in case you don't apply left side spin and you are left eye dominant then you are standing too square behind the shot in your stance (presuming you are a right handed player and/or have the cue not under the perfect spot of your vision center in your set position.
Corrections: turn your body clockwise to get your left eye more over your line of aim in your stance and bend down in a way that your left eye is more (or even completely over your cue in your set position!

3) you are a righty and pivot from left to right on all shots. On cut shots to the left this pivot motion will engance the cut (thinnens the shot)
Whereas on cut shots to the right this motion will thicken the shot!

Best regards Ekkes
author of the See-System and author if Samba for pool!




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Concerning number 3. I feel like this is my problem. It is easy to get the cue on the shot line when either cutting to the left or shooting straight in shots. When I am cutting to the right, I am able to get the tip on the shot line but my shaft is pointing from left to right(back of cue is to right of shot line).

I feel like my vision is in the right place relative to the cue ball but I need to manually move my back hand to get the cue straight behind center cue ball it looks like I am cutting the object ball way too thick. Usually the ball goes in when I do this but it is very uncomfortable and tough to remember to do at times. Also, it may not be very precise because I am trying to keep the tip in the same place and stroke on the new line. I tell people I almost feel like it would be easier to cut balls to the right if I shot them left handed.

I will try to clarify some of the above if it doesn't make sense.

Any thoughts or tips would be appreciated.
 
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The one thing that I noticed that I can comment on is where you say you move the cue while trying to keep the tip at the same place on the cue ball.

This game does require precision & the smallest of differences can make ALL of the difference.

IF you have the tip at the center of the cue ball initially by what are you referencing that as the center of the cue ball? In other words, center relative to what, the line of stick initially, the true shot line, what?

My point is that if the back of the cue needs to be moved there is a good chance that the tip also needs to move slightly. In other words, where, at what point would the cue be pivoting?

I'm thinking that it should be moving around the center of the cue ball where it sits on the table.

If you're moving the butt end & trying to keep the tip perfectly still then it may not be precisely at center after the butt end is moved.

I'm thinking that the whole cue would need to be rotated around that point where the cue ball sits on the table & hence the butt would move more but the tip too would move a bit too.

Just some thoughts.

Good Luck finding Your solution.
 
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ENGLISH! said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The one thing that I noticed that I can comment on is where you say you move the cue while trying to keep the tip at the same place on the cue ball.

This game does require precision & the smallest of differences can make ALL of the difference.

IF you have the tip at the center of the cue ball initially by what are you referencing that as the center of the cue ball? In other words, center relative to what, the line of stick initially, the true shot line, what?

My point is that if the back of the cue needs to be moved there is a good chance that the tip also needs to move slightly. In other words, where, at what point would the cue be pivoting?

I'm thinking that it should be moving around the center of the cue ball where it sits on the table.

If you're moving the butt end & trying to keep the tip perfectly still then it may not be precisely at center after the butt end is moved.

I'm thinking that the whole cue would need to be rotated around that point where the cue ball sits on the table & hence the butt would move more but the tip too would move a bit too.

Just some thoughts.

Good Luck finding Your solution.
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It looks like picture A in this article only when cutting balls to the right.

http://billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/2011/july11.pdf
 
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