Yep.
A bar owner here plays every week in his tournaments. Whenever he wins he rolls over the winnings to the next week's tournament. Rollover nights bring in the crowds.
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Yep.
A bar owner here plays every week in his tournaments. Whenever he wins he rolls over the winnings to the next week's tournament. Rollover nights bring in the crowds.
I agree that the owner should play. If he wins his own tourny then he should roll over the pot to next weeks event. He would probably get a great turnout as word spread about what a stand up guy he is and a great deal of respect from all that entered. Of course this is just one mans opinion.......Dan
This sounds like a reasonable compromise. A fine idea. Nicely done.
And if you run a non-handicapped tourney you'll have to listen to the one guy who showed up complain that nobody has an heart any more...
I like the rollover idea though I never had a problem with the owners or tds playing in their tourneys.
~rc
To host a tournament at your own room and play is one thing. To handicap yourself and play is another. If you do play, you should rank yourself high to avoid any problems. It just doesnt look good to win your own tournament. Personally, I say just dont play in your own tournament. Then, noone can be mad at you.
As the son of a really good player who was also an owner I say it depends on the level of play. My dad for example would have won every tournament we held. And we had tournaments that included Paez, King Kong, and Robin Dodson so the tournaments weren't weak. If you're that good you don't need to be playing in your own tournaments. If you play good but not good enough to win or place in the money consistently I say let em play. I do think you should put the money in the next weeks pot or let it pass to the next place though. Oh and our tournaments were not handicapped for the record. If the tournament is handicapped and you play I say you should always rate yourself at the highest level just so there's no reason for anyone to feel cheated.
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Totally agree John. Great post!!!
I dont see the big deal with a room owner playing in, or winning his own tourney. What makes him different from any of the other players in the field?
Is it that the players think that he has enough money........being a rich hall owner?
If he really rated himself too low, he'll figure it out.
I dont see the problem at all, the more entries the better
Is it that the players think that he has enough money........being a rich hall owner?
If he really rated himself too low, he'll figure it out.
I dont see the problem at all, the more entries the better
Since I started this thread I feel the need to update. I went back and played in this tournament again tonight and the owner played again but did move his ranking up to the highest in the tournament. He ended up getting fourth place. By the way I ended up getting third.
was that one jump up or several? Anyway that should make it more acceptable as he could still be too low as sometimes a whole new level needs to be added. I saw Mika play in one where he had to give everyone the 1 out. I think he won two rounds still.
The only problem I see with the situation is that it's a handicapped tournament.
From my experience, that's the biggest source or complaints. People are never satisfied with thier own or other peoples ranking.
Play straight up.
I'm sure the dead money that goes 2 and out regardless of being a c player or a b player doesn't think he had much of a chance against the favorite to win regardless of how many games on the wire he got.
Handicapped tournaments give people something to blame when they get knocked out rather than taking it as a lesson that they need to practice more and play better.
From my experience, that's the biggest source or complaints. People are never satisfied with thier own or other peoples ranking.
Play straight up.
I'm sure the dead money that goes 2 and out regardless of being a c player or a b player doesn't think he had much of a chance against the favorite to win regardless of how many games on the wire he got.
Handicapped tournaments give people something to blame when they get knocked out rather than taking it as a lesson that they need to practice more and play better.
Personally I would never complain about an owner playing in his/her own tournament. I would never complain about a top pro playing either. In fact, I would encourage both. I would rather lose straight up then win with a handicap (unless it's for cash 
). People who complain, seek excuses and will never amount to anything. My suggestions is to pull up your sleeves and get to work. Practice practice practice. If you can't do that then maybe the girl scouts need a little help.
Now that I have stated my opinion from a players perspective, as an owner I might make a different call. Business is business and the customer is always right...at least that's the way it should be even if it is not the norm anymore, but thats a different topic all together. Playing to win and taking the money from the customers would be my last priority here. I would always error on the side of caution with any handicap as well.
I like and agree with a lot of the suggestions that have already be stated in this thread.
). People who complain, seek excuses and will never amount to anything. My suggestions is to pull up your sleeves and get to work. Practice practice practice. If you can't do that then maybe the girl scouts need a little help. Now that I have stated my opinion from a players perspective, as an owner I might make a different call. Business is business and the customer is always right...at least that's the way it should be even if it is not the norm anymore, but thats a different topic all together. Playing to win and taking the money from the customers would be my last priority here. I would always error on the side of caution with any handicap as well.
I like and agree with a lot of the suggestions that have already be stated in this thread.
I am on the fence with this one.
I am not an owner, just a regular player at the local dive. I have brought this up to some regulars about holding a weekly tourny in the off season of pool playing.
I know that the regular's (non-league players) wouldn't play if I am going to play in a tourny that I would be holding. Because they know that 9.9 out of 10 times they are going to lose. So, i know that they wouldn't sign up if curtian people are going to play.
So, I know myself and I would step down from playing. Though I would love to be able to play, not because of the money, just because I find solice in the game. Pure enjoyment.
Just like the owner how/ what would be the best course of action. Throw caution in the wind and play anyways, or sit out and miss the action.
I am not an owner, just a regular player at the local dive. I have brought this up to some regulars about holding a weekly tourny in the off season of pool playing.
I know that the regular's (non-league players) wouldn't play if I am going to play in a tourny that I would be holding. Because they know that 9.9 out of 10 times they are going to lose. So, i know that they wouldn't sign up if curtian people are going to play.
So, I know myself and I would step down from playing. Though I would love to be able to play, not because of the money, just because I find solice in the game. Pure enjoyment.
Just like the owner how/ what would be the best course of action. Throw caution in the wind and play anyways, or sit out and miss the action.
This happens in almost all tournaments. Someone wins it multiple times and the players quit showing up. Pretty soon there isn't a tournament. It doesn't matter what skill level you are at. If someone dominates a tournament someone will complain. How many tournaments say "no pro's allowed"? Way too many in my opinion. I hate handicapped tournaments and cry babies. If you can't swim, go back to the kiddie pool. As I stated in an earlier post, man up and play or go sell girl scout cookies (I recommend the thin mints
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The owner should focus on hosting a great tournament and if he does play he should over rate himself. what i have seen it turns players off to the tournament if the owner wins.
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The owner should focus on hosting a great tournament and if he does play he should over rate himself. what i have seen it turns players off to the tournament if the owner wins.
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This happens in almost all tournaments. Someone wins it multiple times and the players quit showing up. Pretty soon there isn't a tournament. It doesn't matter what skill level you are at. If someone dominates a tournament someone will complain. How many tournaments say "no pro's allowed"? Way too many in my opinion. I hate handicapped tournaments and cry babies. If you can't swim, go back to the kiddie pool. As I stated in an earlier post, man up and play or go sell girl scout cookies (I recommend the thin mints
We've been over this before, but I'll play the punching bag and deliver the obigatory response. All that I'm about to talk about is referring to small in-house tourneys...
There is a point where it becomes foolish to pay to enter a tournament, if you know you have absolutely no chance to compete at any level. I'm not talking about the phrase "no chance to win", or even "to cash", but I mean no chance to even compete.
If the majority of players that are likely to participate in a tourney are significantly better than me, am I expected to simply come in and donate to the prize fund? Once again, if I know that I have no chance to compete? Is that what "manning up" means? I could just walk in and give you my money since you're so much better than me, right? Paying my dues, rights of passage?
If you only want the best and strongest people in your tournament (you know, the ones who will "man up"), expect a small field (and resulting small payout). If you want more people to come and donate to the prize fund, they need to see something for their efforts. And by that I mean a chance to compete. If I'm in a tournament where the same handful of much higher level players win all the time, and we beginners get 2-and-outed every week, I'll probably lose interest after a while. If there are enough lower level players playing where I have a chance to win a round or two (even if I have no real chance to "cash") I'm going to have more interest, because I am "competing".
A fine line, to handicap or not. But if you want a bunch of people donating to your prize fund, you'll have a better chance by making it handicapped. Unless you live in an area populated with a large number of "good" players, and even then they won't come and compete if everyone is good because they won't have a good chance "to cash".
Yes, most everyone knows that we will only get better by playing better opponents. Yes, I would gladly "donate" in a tourney with some bigger names, knowing full well that I have no chance. (But I wouldn't do it every week.) If you want me to come and put money in the prize fund, you better make it worthwhile to everyone, not just you guys who aren't swimming in the kiddie pool, or out selling our Girl Scout cookies. (BTW, Samoas are the better choice, IMHO
)There. Now it's out there, blast away. :smilewinkgrin:
To the OP, I think it's fine for the owner to play, so long as he's rated appropriately and the locals are cool with it. Most everyone that is a "local" knows each others speed, so this really shouldn't be an issue. If he's underhandicapped, the locals should know it, and say something.
We've been over this before, but I'll play the punching bag and deliver the obigatory response. All that I'm about to talk about is referring to small in-house tourneys...
There is a point where it becomes foolish to pay to enter a tournament, if you know you have absolutely no chance to compete at any level. I'm not talking about the phrase "no chance to win", or even "to cash", but I mean no chance to even compete.
If the majority of players that are likely to participate in a tourney are significantly better than me, am I expected to simply come in and donate to the prize fund? Once again, if I know that I have no chance to compete? Is that what "manning up" means? I could just walk in and give you my money since you're so much better than me, right? Paying my dues, rights of passage?
If you only want the best and strongest people in your tournament (you know, the ones who will "man up"), expect a small field (and resulting small payout). If you want more people to come and donate to the prize fund, they need to see something for their efforts. And by that I mean a chance to compete. If I'm in a tournament where the same handful of much higher level players win all the time, and we beginners get 2-and-outed every week, I'll probably lose interest after a while. If there are enough lower level players playing where I have a chance to win a round or two (even if I have no real chance to "cash") I'm going to have more interest, because I am "competing".
A fine line, to handicap or not. But if you want a bunch of people donating to your prize fund, you'll have a better chance by making it handicapped. Unless you live in an area populated with a large number of "good" players, and even then they won't come and compete if everyone is good because they won't have a good chance "to cash".
Yes, most everyone knows that we will only get better by playing better opponents. Yes, I would gladly "donate" in a tourney with some bigger names, knowing full well that I have no chance. (But I wouldn't do it every week.) If you want me to come and put money in the prize fund, you better make it worthwhile to everyone, not just you guys who aren't swimming in the kiddie pool, or out selling our Girl Scout cookies. (BTW, Samoas are the better choice, IMHO
There. Now it's out there, blast away. :smilewinkgrin:
To the OP, I think it's fine for the owner to play, so long as he's rated appropriately and the locals are cool with it. Most everyone that is a "local" knows each others speed, so this really shouldn't be an issue. If he's underhandicapped, the locals should know it, and say something.
could not have said it better myself.