Palmer-Szamboti Bicentennial Cue

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This is the only Palmer I've seen with a true Szamboti Bicentennial blank. I once doubted
they even existed, but when I questioned it a few years ago, Barry Szamboti e-mailed
me and told me he helped make the blanks himself when he was a kid. We wondered what
happened to the cues.

Palmer was originally planning to have a "Bicentennial" cue line, joining the bandwagon
of commemoratives and collectibles marketed for the USA's 200th Birthday celebration in
1975-1976. They decided on using Szamboti blanks that were in a red, white, blue and
black color scheme. The blanks were made and delivered, but Palmer scrapped the Bicentennial
cue line idea. The few cues they made, they sold off, then used the Szamboti blanks for
other cues in the years that followed. I suspect they were used in some of the Pete Margo
line cues later on, but haven't confirmed it.

How this cue came to light was the original owner brought the cue to Pete Tascarella to
put a new butt cap on it and build some shafts. Pete identified the Palmer as a Szamboti
blanked cue. Pete knows Szamboti's really well because of his work on Balabushka's. The
cue was brought to my attention by a collector who wanted to purchase it, so I researched
it for him. I checked with the original owner, and sure enough, he bought the cue in 1976!
We checked with Barry, and he confirmed it was the elusive Bicentennial blank. Later on,
when the deal fell through, and I bought the cue.

The original owner bought this cue from Palmer in 1976. It's very similar to a Model 11
from the 3rd catalog, which was introduced before this time, but notice the straight
black collar. What doesn't show up is the butt, which has a forearm-matching thin
blue ring.

I am putting these pictures up for everyone to see the differences. The Szamboti blanked
cue is the upper cue in the close ups. The other cue is a Palmer 3rd catalog Model 11.
While the color scheme is similar, the differences are 1) Szamboti colors are more subdued
2) The veneer work is superior, nearly perfect miters 3) the veneers are thicker on the
Szamboti 4) sometimes the points are longer, but not always. There are long points on
many of the late 1970's Palmer's too.

Anyway, I'm glad this example surfaced, if for nothing else than to satisfy my, and
other collectors, curiosity. The photos don't show it, but the Szamboti has very dark inner points, the Palmer has mixed brown and black (Macassar).

Chris


Szamboti-tasc_Cue.JPG


Here's the full cue with 2 Palmer shafts and two Tascarella shafts. The wrap is thin black nylon, tightly pressed.

Szamboti_Bi-centennial_2.JPG

The upper cue is the Szamboti Bicentennial blank, subdued colors, clean veneer work, the lower cue is a Model 11 from the 3rd catalog, made around the same time with a standard forearm.

Szamboti_BiCentennial_1.JPG


Here you can see the difference in veneer thickness and the quality of the miters. When they are very tight, and very clean, they are likely the work of the Szamboti's. Barry was only a kid at the time, but he produced mighty fine blanks!


Chris
 
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Yup

Mr Tate
On the Szam blank how close are the miters? MM's or inches is fine! And yyyyeeee$$$$$$$$$$$$$ I like it!
Thanks
Nick :)
 
Wow - very impressive looking classic and this is one exceptional find you made. I really like this cue and hope a search will eventually drop one into my cue case.

Myron
 
This is the only Palmer I've seen with a true Szamboti Bicentennial blank. I once doubted
they even existed, but when I questioned it a few years ago, Barry Szamboti e-mailed
me and told me he helped make the blanks himself when he was a kid. We wondered what
happened to the cues.

Palmer was originally planning to have a "Bicentennial" cue line, joining the bandwagon
of commemoratives and collectibles marketed for the USA's 200th Birthday celebration in
1975-1976. They decided on using Szamboti blanks that were in a red, white, blue and
black color scheme. The blanks were made and delivered, but Palmer scrapped the Bicentennial
cue line idea. The few cues they made, they sold off, then used the Szamboti blanks for
other cues in the years that followed. I suspect they were used in some of the Pete Margo
line cues later on, but haven't confirmed it.

How this cue came to light was the original owner brought the cue to Pete Tascarella to
put a new butt cap on it and build some shafts. Pete identified the Palmer as a Szamboti
blanked cue. Pete knows Szamboti's really well because of his work on Balabushka's. The
cue was brought to my attention by a collector who wanted to purchase it, so I researched
it for him. I checked with the original owner, and sure enough, he bought the cue in 1976!
We checked with Barry, and he confirmed it was the elusive Bicentennial blank. Later on,
when the deal fell through, and I bought the cue.

The original owner bought this cue from Palmer in 1976. It's very similar to a Model 11
from the 3rd catalog, which was introduced before this time, but notice the straight
black collar. What doesn't show up is the butt, which has a forearm-matching thin
blue ring.

I am putting these pictures up for everyone to see the differences. The Szamboti blanked
cue is the upper cue in the close ups. The other cue is a Palmer 3rd catalog Model 11.
While the color scheme is similar, the differences are 1) Szamboti colors are more subdued
2) The veneer work is superior, nearly perfect miters 3) the veneers are thicker on the
Szamboti 4) sometimes the points are longer, but not always. There are long points on
many of the late 1970's Palmer's too.

Anyway, I'm glad this example surfaced, if for nothing else than to satisfy my, and
other collectors, curiosity. The photos don't show it, but the Szamboti has very dark inner points, the Palmer has mixed brown and black (Macassar).

Chris


Szamboti-tasc_Cue.JPG


Here's the full cue with 2 Palmer shafts and two Tascarella shafts. The wrap is thin black nylon, tightly pressed.

Szamboti_Bi-centennial_2.JPG

The upper cue is the Szamboti Bicentennial blank, subdued colors, clean veneer work, the lower cue is a Model 11 from the 3rd catalog, made around the same time with a standard forearm.

Szamboti_BiCentennial_1.JPG


Here you can see the difference in veneer thickness and the quality of the miters. When they are very tight, and very clean, they are likely the work of the Szamboti's. Barry was only a kid at the time, but he produced mighty fine blanks!


yes these palmer cues resemble Szamboti cues for sure. and i like them.
Can you pm me with some prices and similar cues to these simple but sleek cues?:)
 
Centenial Blanks

I think Gus did 100. I am not sure if that icluded three complete cues he did with blanks that were guifted to friends.
Nick :)
 
Clarifications

I am the original owner and stumbled upon this thread/forum. The wrap is not nylon but Irish linen dyed black by Pete T for me. I do know about the authors references to asking me those qualifying questions. That did not happen. I never intended to sell this Palmer as it was my sole cue for more than 25 years, but I finally had Pete make me a cue. Once I started playing with the Tascarella it was pointless to keep the Palmer; no comparison in quality. Night and day.
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This is the only Palmer I've seen with a true Szamboti Bicentennial blank. I once doubted
they even existed, but when I questioned it a few years ago, Barry Szamboti e-mailed
me and told me he helped make the blanks himself when he was a kid. We wondered what
happened to the cues.

Palmer was originally planning to have a "Bicentennial" cue line, joining the bandwagon
of commemoratives and collectibles marketed for the USA's 200th Birthday celebration in
1975-1976. They decided on using Szamboti blanks that were in a red, white, blue and
black color scheme. The blanks were made and delivered, but Palmer scrapped the Bicentennial
cue line idea. The few cues they made, they sold off, then used the Szamboti blanks for
other cues in the years that followed. I suspect they were used in some of the Pete Margo
line cues later on, but haven't confirmed it.

How this cue came to light was the original owner brought the cue to Pete Tascarella to
put a new butt cap on it and build some shafts. Pete identified the Palmer as a Szamboti
blanked cue. Pete knows Szamboti's really well because of his work on Balabushka's. The
cue was brought to my attention by a collector who wanted to purchase it, so I researched
it for him. I checked with the original owner, and sure enough, he bought the cue in 1976!
We checked with Barry, and he confirmed it was the elusive Bicentennial blank. Later on,
when the deal fell through, and I bought the cue.

The original owner bought this cue from Palmer in 1976. It's very similar to a Model 11
from the 3rd catalog, which was introduced before this time, but notice the straight
black collar. What doesn't show up is the butt, which has a forearm-matching thin
blue ring.

I am putting these pictures up for everyone to see the differences. The Szamboti blanked
cue is the upper cue in the close ups. The other cue is a Palmer 3rd catalog Model 11.
While the color scheme is similar, the differences are 1) Szamboti colors are more subdued
2) The veneer work is superior, nearly perfect miters 3) the veneers are thicker on the
Szamboti 4) sometimes the points are longer, but not always. There are long points on
many of the late 1970's Palmer's too.

Anyway, I'm glad this example surfaced, if for nothing else than to satisfy my, and
other collectors, curiosity. The photos don't show it, but the Szamboti has very dark inner points, the Palmer has mixed brown and black (Macassar).

Chris


Szamboti-tasc_Cue.JPG


Here's the full cue with 2 Palmer shafts and two Tascarella shafts. The wrap is thin black nylon, tightly pressed.

Szamboti_Bi-centennial_2.JPG

The upper cue is the Szamboti Bicentennial blank, subdued colors, clean veneer work, the lower cue is a Model 11 from the 3rd catalog, made around the same time with a standard forearm.

Szamboti_BiCentennial_1.JPG


Here you can see the difference in veneer thickness and the quality of the miters. When they are very tight, and very clean, they are likely the work of the Szamboti's. Barry was only a kid at the time, but he produced mighty fine blanks!


yes these palmer cues resemble Szamboti cues for sure. and i like them.
Can you pm me with some prices and similar cues to these simple but sleek cues?:)
 
Are you not Mike Gervasi, bought the cue in 1976, had Tascarella maintain it? A gentleman named Nelson was in touch with you and Tascarella about the cue and gave me the infomation. That is how we were put in touch and I bought the cue from you.
 
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hey Chris you have interest in this Palmer?

BR
Kenny

Happy Holidays
 

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Palmer Szamboti Bicentennial

Chris,
Here is the cue I acquired. It appears to be one of the Bicentennial cues that was made. It has the correct forearm and the illusive bluish ring in the butt sleeve. Attached are pictures.

Palmer Szamboti Bicentennial 001.jpg

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I spoke with Chris before purchasing the cue. He seems confident it is a Szam blank.
Thanks

Chris,
Attached is an email correspondence From Barry Szamboti.:



would it be possible to receive a letter from you concerning this cue?
It would be greatly appreciated.
I would be more than happy to pay you for your trouble.
Thanks,
Rick

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
<br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: blscues@comcast.net <br>Date:03/23/2014 2:58 PM (GMT-08:00) <br>To: "Capt. Burnout Rick Jenkins" <rmudj2@yahoo.com> <br>Subject: Re: Bicentennial Blank <br><br>

Hi Rick,
I can tell you that your prong is a Bicentennial blank that Dad sold to Palmer in Nov. 1975.
I don't write letters for any CUE other than a Szamboti and I am cutting down on that.
I hope this helps you,

Barry Szamboti
 
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