Passionate debate VS condescending comments

[vagabond]

Like in any sport, pool players like to engage in the discussions.Some are more knowledgeble in one area of the game than others.There may be very few who have knowledge in all the aspects of pool-playing,equipment,managing a pool hall,running an organization etc.Some men(Not every one) try to take the leadership of the pack/tribe/group.Among those trying to emerge as the leaders, different wannabes try different tecqniques to be the head of the pack.One needs support from every subsection of the tribe/pack/group if they want to emerge as leaders.If a wannabe goes putting down or bullying others he is less likely to emerge as a leader of civilized groups but may have very good chances to emerge as a leader of a street gang.
Pool forms are like a pack/tribe/group that consists of civilized members and it needs some specialized skills to emerge as a head of the pack.
Few years ago Bob Francher was booed and driven away by the posters of CCB of Billiards Digest.Com because some posters felt that they were insulted by Bob Francher.

One can be passionately engage in a debate but one can not bully/insult others if one wants to survive on these forums.
Vagabond

 

[Bruce S. de Lis]

Like in any sport, pool players like to engage in the discussions.Some are more knowledgeble in one area of the game than others.There may be very few who have knowledge in all the aspects of pool-playing,equipment,managing a pool hall,running an organization etc.Some men(Not every one) try to take the leadership of the pack/tribe/group.Among those trying to emerge as the leaders, different wannabes try different tecqniques to be the head of the pack.One needs support from every subsection of the tribe/pack/group if they want to emerge as leaders.If a wannabe goes putting down or bullying others he is less likely to emerge as a leader of civilized groups but may have very good chances to emerge as a leader of a street gang.
Pool forms are like a pack/tribe/group that consists of civilized members and it needs some specialized skills to emerge as a head of the pack.
Few years ago Bob Francher was booed and driven away by the posters of CCB of Billiards Digest.Com because some posters felt that they were insulted by Bob Francher.

One can be passionately engage in a debate but one can not bully/insult others if one wants to survive on these forums.
Vagabond

Good points made above, but on Forums FLAME WARS will always happen sooner or later if the Parties choose to Flame One Another....

 

[hemicudas]

Like in any sport, pool players like to engage in the discussions.Some are more knowledgeble in one area of the game than others.There may be very few who have knowledge in all the aspects of pool-playing,equipment,managing a pool hall,running an organization etc.Some men(Not every one) try to take the leadership of the pack/tribe/group.Among those trying to emerge as the leaders, different wannabes try different tecqniques to be the head of the pack.One needs support from every subsection of the tribe/pack/group if they want to emerge as leaders.If a wannabe goes putting down or bullying others he is less likely to emerge as a leader of civilized groups but may have very good chances to emerge as a leader of a street gang.
Pool forms are like a pack/tribe/group that consists of civilized members and it needs some specialized skills to emerge as a head of the pack.
Few years ago Bob Francher was booed and driven away by the posters of CCB of Billiards Digest.Com because some posters felt that they were insulted by Bob Francher.

One can be passionately engage in a debate but one can not bully/insult others if one wants to survive on these forums.
Vagabond

Good post, Vagabond. Sounds like you might be in the "Field", LOL. Best of luck.

 

[whiteoak]

Hurtful comments

I am relatively new here but had to throw in my two cents worth here.Unless i am mistaken for almost everyone who posts here(with the exception of cuemakers and proplayers) pool is a hobby.It is not life or death,eating or starving, but rather something we passionately enjoy away from the pressures of work,etc.With that in mind i dont see any reason to ever post some of the spiteful and hurtful comments i have seen on here on occasion.I watched my Dad die last Friday night and you realize that life is far too short and precious to hurt each other over the kinds of things that wont matter tomorrow.If someone has a comment that may be controversial why not just PM the fellow AZBer rather than incite an open controversy.There are a lot of good folks here and sometimes the comments made cut really deep.Someday when we are all older having said some of those things will seem so foolish.M.Sellers

 

[runscott]

...There are a lot of good folks here and sometimes the comments made cut really deep.Someday when we are all older having said some of those things will seem so foolish.M.Sellers

You also find that posters have their posting personality, and their "real life" personality. Most of the time when you meet someone who flamed you regularly in forums, you find that they are real decent in real life - that's when you feel foolish.

 

[Snapshot9]

thoughts.

I like how this is sounding. Yes, all posters need to keep
consideration of other people in mind when posting. Everyone
won't agree with you on all issues, and if you think so, get over
it. A person may think they are being witty or smart to reply in
such a way as it degrades the other person or their opinion, but
that is only showing the worst part of yourself, and goes against
what this forum is about to begin with. Everyone gets angry when
they are pushed, but you should reply with an open mind and
fairly decent manners, and with nice humor, not with a degrading
character assasination. People should not presuppose that they
know more about the other poster, than the other poster does.
You don't know what type of life the other people have led, or done
in their life unless they tell you. We have all types of posters here
on different levels within Pool, and I enjoy the 'academic' arena
atmosphere more than others when sharing and learning, each
contributing what they can. And I want to add, that I don't always
learn something from a better Pool player than I am, sometimes
I learn things from those far below the level I am at, and enjoy it.

 

[pete lafond]

Sometimes some one may have a strong hold on a conversation. The problem is when they are partly right and the wrong aspect may lead someone down the wrong learning path. Keeping in mind that there are many levels of players on this board looking to improve their game.

However some of these arguments such as snooker vs. pool player, who adapts to the other game is an example of just pure guess. Topics such as this one do not deserve any commentary that becomes hostile. There is no correct answer here and arguing points both ways is none less than pointless.

In any even, respect is the key. We can screw around with people but at the same time we should not get bent out of shape if someone nails us. This is a bunch of pool supporters trying to get respect for the game. Respecting each other as almost everyone does in this forum is admirable. It seems we get off on the few isolated incidents.

All said, I have a good time here and enjoy all the many posts.

 

[renard]

The written word can be taken in two ways. You know what I mean (ex. sometimes bad is bad.)

Without seeing body language and/or the of sound & tone of voice inflections we cannot be certain to which meaning the writer infers to. So we all make our best guess in a opinionated war of words. Most people interpet the other person as raising thier voice, and really punctuating thier digs in a social setting with the crowd watching.

But in fact it may be on the opposite side of the spectrum entirely.

Emoticons work a little . But unfortunately not enough .

In the end its your words that you are responsible for. If they can be mistaken then look in the mirror for laying blame.

Sure we get in a hurry and never hit the preview post button next to the submit reply button. But sometimes when you do re-read a post you realize that sometimes what you meant to say just didn't come out. Also what you wrote could be misunderstood.

Be easy on one another.

 

[vagabond]

In any even, respect is the key.

Thank u
I believe in mutual respect and expressing our disagreements in a very CIVIL manner.

 

[vagabond]

Good post, Vagabond. Sounds like you might be in the "Field", LOL. Best of luck.

Yesterday I stopped at Green room in Jackson.The room was empty but for two chinese gentleman playing on 9 foot Brunswick.I called Reed pierce on his cell phone and as usual no body awnserd the phone.I hit the balls on Diamond table for 20-30 minutes and left the town.

 

[bruin70]

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One can be passionately engage in a debate but one can not bully/insult others if one wants to survive on these forums.
Vagabond

it doesn't even require insults or bullying...

you get a forum that has cliques, and you can get shouted out just for a simple disagreement. also, threads have a unique mind of their own.....if you post something and it gets misinterpreted by one person, other posters will pick up on that one misinterpretation and you'll spend the rest of the thread defending yourself against something that you never meant in the first place.

there is a tendancy for people to not READ what was first posted, but rather to get influenced by how it was interpreted by others. and one of the erroneous tendancies is to only read a replied quote taken out of context from the original post.

 

[vagabond]

it doesn't even require insults or bullying...

you get a forum that has cliques, and you can get shouted out just for a simple disagreement. also, threads have a unique mind of their own.....if you post something and it gets misinterpreted by one person, other posters will pick up on that one misinterpretation and you'll spend the rest of the thread defending yourself against something that you never meant in the first place.

there is a tendancy for people to not READ what was first posted, but rather to get influenced by how it was interpreted by others. and one of the erroneous tendancies is to only read a replied quote taken out of context from the original post.

Hi,
U explained some of the group dinamics very well.Very erudite.

 

[TATE]

I am relatively new here but had to throw in my two cents worth here.Unless i am mistaken for almost everyone who posts here(with the exception of cuemakers and proplayers) pool is a hobby.It is not life or death,eating or starving, but rather something we passionately enjoy away from the pressures of work,etc.With that in mind i dont see any reason to ever post some of the spiteful and hurtful comments i have seen on here on occasion.I watched my Dad die last Friday night and you realize that life is far too short and precious to hurt each other over the kinds of things that wont matter tomorrow.If someone has a comment that may be controversial why not just PM the fellow AZBer rather than incite an open controversy.There are a lot of good folks here and sometimes the comments made cut really deep.Someday when we are all older having said some of those things will seem so foolish.M.Sellers

Your comments are so true. Very sorry to hear about your father. My dad was my best friend and golfing buddy. When he passed away, it was the worst moment in my life.

Certain posters are in the habit of insulting others who disagree with them. Sometimes this is subtle. This is what starts these things. I could make a list right here but I think everyone knows who they are. I would have to call it insecurity. To me, nothing is as distasteful as mocking anothers thoughts, education, or intelligence, no matter who you are or what you know.

Chris

 

[Rude Dog]

Sure we get in a hurry and never hit the preview post button next to the submit reply button. But sometimes when you do re-read a post you realize that sometimes what you meant to say just didn't come out. Also what you wrote could be misunderstood.

I don't think I've ever used the preview button, so I am guilty of that. I have reread a post of mine before and thought that maybe it could have been misunderstood. It happens, cuz the written word is hard to express how you really feel. You explained it well renard, just thought I'd throw my .02 in. Peace, John.

 

[Timberly]

it doesn't even require insults or bullying...

you get a forum that has cliques, and you can get shouted out just for a simple disagreement.

I could be wrong, but I think this board is pretty much "clique free". There are some that get along with most everyone & some that don't get along with anyone. I try to get along with everyone but this isn't a perfect world & there are times when I falter. I have gotten to know quite a few people on here and at times two people that I like can end up in a flame war. When that happens, I stay completely out of it unless it's something that I feel very strongly about. The times that I've "faltered" were by my own doing, not following one of my forum buddies leads, as usually happens in cliques. It's rare that I've seen someone jump into a flame war simply because their friend was in the middle of one. I could be wrong on this because I don't read every thread but from the threads that I do read, I don't see this. I just see this forum getting a bad case of PMS every couple of months.

 

[bruin70]

I could be wrong, but I think this board is pretty much "clique free",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in the middle of one. I could be wrong on this because I don't read every thread but from the threads that I do read, I don't see this. I just see this forum getting a bad case of PMS every couple of months.

i am with you in regards to azb. the flames here are usually one against one, and the only time someone gets set upon by others is if he pisses off a whole bunch of people. but the evolution of a thread dynamic holds true on every board i've seen.

nope,,,i don't see any recognizable cliques here as there were at ccb.............thank goodness. fortunately,,there are some cooler heads here who jump in and lend perspective when things get out of hand.

 

[bruin70]

I have a new personal rule.

From now on I'm avoiding any thread with "------ VS. ------" in the title.

They always lead to trouble.

you mean like, starting from AFTER this thread,,,right?

 

[renard]

I don't think I've ever used the preview button, so I am guilty of that. I have reread a post of mine before and thought that maybe it could have been misunderstood. It happens, cuz the written word is hard to express how you really feel. You explained it well renard, just thought I'd throw my .02 in. Peace, John.

Thanks John.