Payouts

[calcuttaman]

If you had a $20 amatuer tournament with no calcutta with $1000 added, 64 players, $2280 total prize fund, what would your payouts look like?

1st $560
2nd 380
3rd 280
4th 190
5/6 140
7/8 95
9/12 60
13/16 40

 

[ShootingArts]

Raise first, cut everybody else

From the promoter's viewpoint, I would raise first place money at the expense of second through sixteenth. My final payout level would just be giving the players their entry fee back.

Competitors come to win regardless of how realistic their chances are. Pay first well, maybe give some consideration to second and third or as far down as fifth place, no more than token payouts below that when you don't have any more money than you have to split. You will get more of the better quality competitors.

Hu

If you had a $20 amatuer tournament with no calcutta with $1000 added, 64 players, $2280 total prize fund, what would your payouts look like?

1st $560
2nd 380
3rd 280
4th 190
5/6 140
7/8 95
9/12 60
13/16 40

 

[Mike Templeton]

If you had a $20 amatuer tournament with no calcutta with $1000 added, 64 players, $2280 total prize fund, what would your payouts look like?

1st $560
2nd 380
3rd 280
4th 190
5/6 140
7/8 95
9/12 60
13/16 40

Here is a great chart that I use from the D & D Billiards website. There's also a chart there to tell where to put in byes that is really helpful.
http://www.thebilliardstour.com/archives/tournament-payouts.html

I think that the way you have it is very close.

Mike

 

[Mike Templeton]

From the promoter's viewpoint, I would raise first place money at the expense of second through sixteenth. My final payout level would just be giving the players their entry fee back.

Competitors come to win regardless of how realistic their chances are. Pay first well, maybe give some consideration to second and third or as far down as fifth place, no more than token payouts below that when you don't have any more money than you have to split. You will get more of the better quality competitors.

Hu

Many tournaments make payouts top heavy, like Hu suggests. I think that is realistic as long as it doesn't interfere with overall participation. In my tournament experiences, if you start to cut payouts below 5-6, you will lose many players that feel they cannot win, but may be able to make a few bucks for a 9-12 or 13-16 finish. Our monthly tournament in Chattanooga used to have 80+ players. Since the payouts are top heavy now, it is a more quality field with more champions, but normally we only have around 48 players show up. It seems that room owners would want more players to spend money, but there are more spectators to watch the better players, so that does make up some of the money difference.

People will argue that with just a $20 entry fee that it shouldn't affect participation, but it does. That is the entry fee here for our monthly tournament and alot of people don't play because of the top heavy payout. So it does affect the amount of players that participate, or at least it has in the tournaments that I have been involved with.

Mike

 

[ironman]

If you had a $20 amatuer tournament with no calcutta with $1000 added, 64 players, $2280 total prize fund, what would your payouts look like?

1st $560
2nd 380
3rd 280
4th 190
5/6 140
7/8 95
9/12 60
13/16 40

First, what % of the field are you going to pay?

 

[Scott Lee]

I'm not a fan of top-heavy payouts. I like the first poster's split a lot. I might even make it a little closer among the top four. As far as Mike's observation in TN, if I were the room owner, I'd want 80 players, over 48, for a regular local tournament, any tiime! jmo

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

 

[ironman]

First, what % of the field are you going to pay?

Now that I am awake, obviously you are paying 25% of the field which is about normal. That is what we pay on our tour also and we havve had no complaints.
We also have a breakdown formula we use and when I find it, I will post it.
It looks as if your !st place is a bit lower than ours. Ours pays 1st a minimum of 28.5% to 1st which in your case would be about $650.00. So this goes along with other posts advising to raise the front end a bit.
If you like, when I get home today, I will send you the chart we use, just as a guide.
Why do you suggest no calcutta?

 

[Snapshot9]

payouts

Most players don't enter a tournament unless they
think they have a chance to win it, and 1st place money
is usually what draws players. A lot of tournaments will
decrease each place by half of the place above it got.
I do not care for tournaments that sacrifice 1st place
money just to spread the wealth.

 

[12squared]

If you had a $20 amatuer tournament with no calcutta with $1000 added, 64 players, $2280 total prize fund, what would your payouts look like?

1st $560
2nd 380
3rd 280
4th 190
5/6 140
7/8 95
9/12 60
13/16 40

You're close to what I would do, I would pay the following (but that's just me):

1st 620
2nd 400
3rd 285
4th 195
5/6th 110
7/8th 80
9/12th 60
13/16th 40

 

[calcuttaman]

Most players don't enter a tournament unless they
think they have a chance to win it, and 1st place money
is usually what draws players.

This might be true at higher skill levels, but its certainly not true at lower skill levels. Sure, players always want to win, but in reality a huge majority of tournament players never even come close to placing 1, 2, or 3.

 

[BigRed]

1st: 750
2nd: 500
3rd: 300
4th: 200
5/6: 100
7/8: 55
9/12: 35
13/16: 20



I feel that this is respectable.... You have high payouts (for a local tourney) for 1-6.... and a lil something for the rest......

 

[StormHotRod300]

Ok if i had a 64man tourny for 20$ a person it could go two ways

1- 900
2-500
3-375
4-200
5/6-100ea
7/8- 52.50 ea

or like this

1-725
2-475
3-330
4-200
5/6-100ea
7/8 75ea
9-12- 50ea

so you either have a higher top payout or a more generous payout

 

[frankncali]

Most players don't enter a tournament unless they
think they have a chance to win it, and 1st place money
is usually what draws players. A lot of tournaments will
decrease each place by half of the place above it got.
I do not care for tournaments that sacrifice 1st place
money just to spread the wealth.

I just can not se where this is true. Almost everyone on this board
has entered mulitple tournaments where they did not think they could win.
There would only be a few players in events if only players who thought they could win would get in. Theres some that hope they get the lucky draw and have a chance to do well but I would say that at least 50% of every tournamnet is filled with players that dont honestly think they can win it.

It does not stop them from trying as hard as they can. Most top players lose sight of this and hate the payouts being spread out but in reality there would not be as many events without it.
Many players will play hoping to draw one of the best players hoping to
see how they can do and to gain expereince.

 

[Snapshot9]

Experience ...

I just can not se where this is true. Almost everyone on this board
has entered mulitple tournaments where they did not think they could win.
There would only be a few players in events if only players who thought they could win would get in. Theres some that hope they get the lucky draw and have a chance to do well but I would say that at least 50% of every tournamnet is filled with players that dont honestly think they can win it.

It does not stop them from trying as hard as they can. Most top players lose sight of this and hate the payouts being spread out but in reality there would not be as many events without it.
Many players will play hoping to draw one of the best players hoping to
see how they can do and to gain expereince.

Yes, you gain experience all right, but the FACT is, you should have
gained that experience in your PRACTICE sessions. All you find out
by getting beat by a better player is that THERE WERE SITUATIONS
that you were not prepared for. What it tells you is, that you did not
have enough imagination in practice to ever imagine the situation
coming up. It also tells you that you line of thinking about the game
is NOT QUITE RIGHT, which caused you to make mistakes which lost
the match for you. It also tells you, you did not know your opponents
game before playing him, therefore you were UNPREPARED for the match.
Read 'The Art of War' by Sun Tzu, that's the best advice I can give you.

 

[frankncali]

Yes, you gain experience all right, but the FACT is, you should have
gained that experience in your PRACTICE sessions. All you find out
by getting beat by a better player is that THERE WERE SITUATIONS
that you were not prepared for. What it tells you is, that you did not
have enough imagination in practice to ever imagine the situation
coming up. It also tells you that you line of thinking about the game
is NOT QUITE RIGHT, which caused you to make mistakes which lost
the match for you. It also tells you, you did not know your opponents
game before playing him, therefore you were UNPREPARED for the match.
Read 'The Art of War' by Sun Tzu, that's the best advice I can give you.

I agree with the above but think that the experience is invaluable and can not be found only in practice. Theres nothing compared to the real thing.
I played competitive sports my whole life and I was always trying to prepare for the real thing but theres nothing like the real thing for experience.

Even so if a Viking event was being played in the midwest somewhere in a
good sized town how many players would you expect to have a legit shot at winning it?

BTW-- I have been to Wichita but never got to go to the Burke's. Sounded
like a great place.

 

[Skeezicks]

If you had a $20 amatuer tournament with no calcutta with $1000 added, 64 players, $2280 total prize fund, what would your payouts look like?

SE
1 ......$760
2 ......$380
3/4 ...$190
5/8 ...$95
9/16 ..$45

DE
1 .......$780
2 .......$425
3 .......$250
4 .......$165
5/6 ....$110
7/8 ....$70
9/12 ...$45
13/16 .$30

thanks to the spreadsheet playpoolcalcs by Ed Mercier, downloaded from playpool.com

 

[Timberly]

I agree with the above but think that the experience is invaluable and can not be found only in practice. Theres nothing compared to the real thing.

Frank, you just hit the nail on the head! We can practice all day everyday... we learn from experience...experience is playing a competitor... good experience is playing a strong competitor... you might lose to them but you gain knowledge from the experience. Take that knowledge to the practice table and perfect it... utilize it on the next guy in the next tourney. IMHO, the best experience is playing stronger players. Your game has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

 

[lamar25]

Thanks Mike Templeton

Here is a great chart that I use from the D & D Billiards website. There's also a chart there to tell where to put in byes that is really helpful.
http://www.thebilliardstour.com/archives/tournament-payouts.html

I think that the way you have it is very close.

Mike

Hey Mike,
Just wanted to say thanks for posting the www.thebilliardstour.com website address.
Wish I had known of this site a few years back.

Thanks for your input & "Have A Nice Day",
Lamar