Paypal payment for over seas?? Guys what are you thoughts?

[BigNBeefY]

I would transfer the money to my checking acct and would not ship till the transfer is complete. Might take an extra couple of business days but it would secure those funds so that they can no longer cancel the transaction. Boom solved

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[kvinbrwr]

I would transfer the money to my checking acct and would not ship till the transfer is complete. Might take an extra couple of business days but it would secure those funds so that they can no longer cancel the transaction. Boom solved

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Yeah that won't work for you.

Kevin

 

[cleitonrocha]

don't use paypal for overseas....unless you personally know the buyer or feel comfortable because they have a sterling reputation on here. Bank wire transfer.

yuuuuuup.......

 

[kvinbrwr]

Doesn't paypal protect both the buyer and seller when parties have verified accounts?

Even in circumstances where paypal offers seller protection ( they don't shipping to many countries), you still ( as a seller) have to have direct online traceable signature confirmation to defeat a non-delivery chargeback. The shipping methods that will provide this are very expensive and few buyers want to pay it (when it can be shipped other ways for 1/3 the cost). USPS express mail for example, does not provide sufficient verification.

Kevin

 

[Webbs Billiards]

All it would take is one chargeback and you might be singing a different tune. :sorry:

One chargeback last year almost shut me down permanently. I've had no issues with overseas customers before that one, but it's taught me to be more cautious.

 

[thefonz]

Even in circumstances where paypal offers seller protection ( they don't shipping to many countries), you still ( as a seller) have to have direct online traceable signature confirmation to defeat a non-delivery chargeback. The shipping methods that will provide this are very expensive and few buyers want to pay it (when it can be shipped other ways for 1/3 the cost). USPS express mail for example, does not provide sufficient verification.

Kevin

If anything i'd figure that the seller would want it. Mind you i always ask for signature required on anything i buy of sell.

 

[Fat Jonny]

If AT ALL possible do NOT use paypal for ANYTHING.
Scammers and outright theft occur regularly.
And paypal is USELESS in recovering misappropriated funds.
Their only concern is you paying for their mistakes. Shameful ethics.
If you must use paypal USE YOUR CREDIT CARD TO PAY THEM.
I filed a dispute over fraud with paypal. Nope not gonna happen...not 'covered'. Why? BECAUSE I also quickly notified CC of problem with EBAY SELLER and therefore waived the so-called 'protections'.
Lots of shuckin' and jivin'.
Pathetic.
Here's the kicker.
paypal refused to cover the thieving seller and refund my card. Gee. I'm shocked. Pfft.
My CC on the other hand? Unbelievable.
I recieved a letter stating that whilst paypal would not refund the charge...THEY WOULD!
Wait. Wait. Wait!
It wasn't the CC Company's fault that ME..I...was ripped off. It was between paypal, that layed the lines to connect buyer/seller and make money at it, and me.
Yet THEY covered the loss.
I even called and tried to reason with them.
Needless to say I will be a user of that CC until they PRY IT FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS.
Awesome service.
Now back to the real point.
DO NOT USE PAYPAL or give them access to your bank account. No matter how magical the offer if you do.
If the deal goes bad the huge mega-corporation makes you pay. ALWAYS use a CC if you are left no alternative than the thieving prigks at ebay and paypal.
But that's just my opinion of course. Wink wink

 

[jekka]

Hi everyone)
I think PayPal is the best way to pay, it has min. fees. Especially for me, because of my location ))
If you have any doubts about the buyer, than you can find a reputable AZer, who can be a warrantor of your transaction.
The market is full of various offers, so if you don't want to be payed by PayPal, others will accept it
All the best,
Eugene

 

[Grantstew]

I much prefer to pay by bank wire when dealing with sellers from the US, a $3000 cue would cost me around €2300 if I have to add the 4% paypal fees. If I do a bank wire then it would cost me about €2210 including bank fees. Paypal are chiseling bastards when you are changing currencies, approx 5% either way buying or selling from the official exchange rate. It's a no-brainer to try and avoid using them unless I have a $ balance in my paypal account from other transactions.

Of course personally I only do transactions with well known respected sellers if I am not doing the business face to face.

 

[StuartTKelley]

I wouldn't allow it, no way. The seller always get the raw end of the deal and these scammers know that. Too bad they've ruined it for the folks who are legit. If they want it bad enough they will pay you in a secure fashion that doesn't invlove you risking your item and your shirt

 

[kvinbrwr]

I wouldn't allow it, no way. The seller always get the raw end of the deal and these scammers know that. Too bad they've ruined it for the folks who are legit. If they want it bad enough they will pay you in a secure fashion that doesn't invlove you risking your item and your shirt

What method of payment would you suggest where now the buyer doesn't assume all the risks you are seeing for the seller?

PayPal is like anything else, it works just great if you know what you are getting into and use it properly. The problem with using it properly on international deals is that being safe involves much heavier than normal expenses.

Kevin

 

[Bamacues]

I am in norway, europe, and i find paypal the best way of paying. I have bought more than i have sold, but in any case the reputation (i-trader and other members vouching for them) and the way they communicate, is very important for me deciding whether to do business with them or not.

-Jon Birger

I have sold lots of stuff to overseas members, etc. So far, so good...although I am pretty much done, now.

Jobba has the key to a lot of the decision...your iTraders, your reputation and standing, having members who can/will vouch for you, etc.

Even then, the size of the transaction comes into the calculation, too. How much is involved and how much you are willing to risk. I will accept a lot more risk on a lower cost cue than I will on a more expensive cue...the higher the cost of the cue, the more the hairs on the back of my neck tingle.

Joe

 

[kvinbrwr]

I have sold lots of stuff to overseas members, etc. So far, so good...although I am pretty much done, now.

Jobba has the key to a lot of the decision...your iTraders, your reputation and standing, having members who can/will vouch for you, etc.

Even then, the size of the transaction comes into the calculation, too. How much is involved and how much you are willing to risk. I will accept a lot more risk on a lower cost cue than I will on a more expensive cue...the higher the cost of the cue, the more the hairs on the back of my neck tingle.

Joe

Joe

For me, gambling is gambling and business is business. My business is not gambling and I try not to mix the two. I won't take at risk payments and think I know how to eliminate them.

Kevin

 

[Webbs Billiards]

You can get screwed over from anywhere, not just overseas. I think we have a false sense of security if someone is in our country. Shane found out recently just how quickly that can happen.

 

[StuartTKelley]

What method of payment would you suggest where now the buyer doesn't assume all the risks you are seeing for the seller?

PayPal is like anything else, it works just great if you know what you are getting into and use it properly. The problem with using it properly on international deals is that being safe involves much heavier than normal expenses.

Kevin

I would say if the buyer if is legit and knows he or she is dealing with a legit seller then the buyer would need to abide by whatever payment method the seller requires if it's worth it to them to purchase said item...if not, fine. There are other avenues for payment that I've heard mentioned that sound more secure but I'm not terribly familiar with them to be quite honest. I just know they exist.

Paypal isn't exactly like anthing else as you say...If a seller gets their money and it's secured there is no way for a buyer or scammer to make a bogus claim (receive cue and then not have to prove a thing in order to demand refund as well as be able to keep the allegedly not received cue or damaged cue...etc) Paypal treats all sellers this way. I've fallen victim to this and it caused me a lot of heartache and wallet pains. I got screwed on an ebay deal and this was in the states. I agree, it can happen anywhere.

If a seller has sent an item and something goes wrong then I would agree the burden is on the seller and should be handled with integrity and accountability. I would just rather see it handled as business should be...buyer responsible for payment( wait for item) seller, (send on time and in promised condition) buyer receives item, happy -great, unhappy- work it out if complaint is legit--but doesn't have the option to screw the seller just because he or she can get away with it via Paypal judge and jury.

 

[kvinbrwr]

I would say if the buyer if is legit and knows he or she is dealing with a legit seller then the buyer would need to abide by whatever payment method the seller requires if it's worth it to them to purchase said item...if not, fine. There are other avenues for payment that I've heard mentioned that sound more secure but I'm not terribly familiar with them to be quite honest. I just know they exist.

Paypal isn't exactly like anthing else as you say...If a seller gets their money and it's secured there is no way for a buyer or scammer to make a bogus claim (receive cue and then not have to prove a thing in order to demand refund as well as be able to keep the allegedly not received cue or damaged cue...etc) Paypal treats all sellers this way. I've fallen victim to this and it caused me a lot of heartache and wallet pains. I got screwed on an ebay deal and this was in the states. I agree, it can happen anywhere.

If a seller has sent an item and something goes wrong then I would agree the burden is on the seller and should be handled with integrity and accountability. I would just rather see it handled as business should be...buyer responsible for payment( wait for item) seller, (send on time and in promised condition) buyer receives item, happy -great, unhappy- work it out if complaint is legit--but doesn't have the option to screw the seller just because he or she can get away with it via Paypal judge and jury.

Point is, if one knows what they are doing with PayPal as a seller, there is no way the seller can get screwed just because the buyer wants to. There are ways for both sides to do business in a secure method with PayPal, one just has to know the ways.

Sorry you had a bad experience.

When you have a method that is secure for the buyer that enables him to buy from people he doesn't know (as I can with PayPal), let me know.

Thanks again

Kevin

 

[StuartTKelley]

Point is, if one knows what they are doing with PayPal as a seller, there is no way the seller can get screwed just because the buyer wants to. There are ways for both sides to do business in a secure method with PayPal, one just has to know the ways.

Sorry you had a bad experience.

When you have a method that is secure for the buyer that enables him to buy from people he doesn't know (as I can with PayPal), let me know.

Thanks again

Kevin

Also, simply deal with reputable sellers when you're buying something and only buyers who have rep or verifiable credentials. As a buyer I always have to put my faith and trust in a seller. And if they know my reputation then they can agree to a deal based on that. If not, it's faith they're putting in me and taking a risk if Paypal is involved.

For example, I take money orders from folks I don't trust or can't verify or I sell to someone else that I can and that can trust me. I go straight to the post office and cash it...put the money in my wallet, and then I ship their item. They aren't getting that money back out of my wallet if they say..oh, it didn't arrive..never got it...looked like red and not brown in the picture...any number of bs arguments have been won by buyers using Paypal against honest sellers like myself. If I screw up I will make it right but I'll be darned if my business with others is going on hold over a bogus claim. That goes back to faith and reputation...you need a little of both as buyer and a seller. That's all I was getting at really.

I'm not arguing with you. If you have a way to prevent these things from happening that's great, I'm glad you do. I use Paypal all of the time and I love the convenience of it. It just gets tricky sometimes and I lost a big one on a straight up deal...Stings buddy. Good luck sir and take care! No harm meant or hostile tone toward you at all, just speaking from what's happened to me and how I handle my business when I actually buy or sell. Just offering a devils advocate opinion for the OP or at least a different persective.