Pbia question
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The pendulum utilizes one muscle for the forward movement.
Easy to learn. The ability to repeat. Over & over again. That's the advantage.
The piston stroke uses several muscles and requires careful timing in each movement.
"If two or more things are involved in the movement of an object and they are not equal in all facets of the movement then that movement goes into a condition called drag.
In Physics, drag is an negative effect."
In any singular shot, the cueball doesn't know what stroke was used!
randyg
On the other hand, the most consistent, accurate potters in the world often use a piston stroke. But they don't play pool.
If you're going to adopt a true snooker style with your chin on the cue, you will need to use a piston stroke. If your head is higher, a pendulum stroke is easier to perfect. For a couple of articles about this, see February and March of 2004 at http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/BD_articles.html As noted there, some top American pool players do use a piston stroke.
To add to what Randy said, there are no advantages to the piston stroke. There are no shots that cannot be made with one, that cannot be made with the other. The principle misunderstanding about the piston stroke is that people think that the there is a longer dwell time between tip & CB, therefore providing potentially more "stuff" (spin, power, accuracy, etc). That is not true, therefore both types of delivering the cuestick are on equal ground. That said, as Randy pointed out, one requires a MUCH higher degree of timing and coordination that the other. I'm a KISS proponent, so I want to teach something that anyone can learn, and everyone can master...given the right amount of skills and practice time. :grin:
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
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Awwwwww, what do they play? Come on Bob, tell the World.
randyg
(Bob is randy's go to guy)
LOL they are snipers for the special forces.
The only advantage seems to be for those who like shooting with their chin on their cue. Is having our chin so low such an advantage to warrent learning a stroke that's difficult to learn?
FranCrimi, do you promote the piston stroke, if so, why? Are your students asking to learn it? If so, why do they want to learn it?
FranCrimi, do you promote the piston stroke, if so, why? Are your students asking to learn it? If so, why do they want to learn it?
PaulM...Just so you know, not all of us agree with Bob that a pendulum stroke won't work for those players who put their chin directly on the cue. I've had many students with that type of stance, who learned how to utilize it just fine.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
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That's right. Although not a student of yours, Scott, I'm a good example of a player that chins the cue, and maintains a near-perfect pendulum. (Or at least tries to -- according to some simple cell-phone video footage that friends took, that I was happy to see what I think I'm doing really is what I'm doing.)
Great example -- Judd Trump is possibly as perfect example as they come, marrying a pendulum stroke with chinning the cue. The only slight "oddity" is that during the actual pull-back for the delivery stroke, Judd will drop the elbow slightly (barely perceptible in some cases), but the delivery stroke itself is pure pinned elbow, snapping it closed like a mousetrap.
-Sean
And that's because if he keeps his elbow still, he would otherwise have to raise his chin. If he does not lower his elbow on the forward stroke, he will hit the cue ball lower than he addressed it. Does the elbow actually go back up at all?
Hi Bob!
Good point. Nope, once Judd lowers it (during the pull-back for the delivery), when the pull-back is complete, the elbow "pins" and stays in that final lowered position, throughout the "mousetrap" (his elbow) snapping closed for the final delivery. He only does this for the cue delivery; not his practice strokes. But his cue delivery is much longer than the practice strokes for sure.
It makes sense, too, why this happens, now that you point it out. Otherwise, during that long pendulum pull-back, the butt of the cue raises, and the chin would have to raise correspondingly as well.
Thanks,
-Sean
So far I haven't found a video that illustrates this well. I think we need a candid slo-mo of his isolated left arm during a match.