Penalty question

tksix

tksix

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During a frame this weekend the following happened. While on the colors I was potting the brown. The brown was pocketed and the cue ball struck the blue and the blue was pocketed as well.

How is this penalized? We kept the brown down and respotted the blue. I took the points for the break including the brown, and my opponent received 5 points for the penalty stroke.

Did we do this correctly?

Thanks,

Mike
 
Since you committed a foul stroke by pocketing a ball not on (blue) the stroke on the brown was not a legal stroke, therefore no points should have been awarded for the brown. Both brown and blue should have been respotted and your opponent awarded 5 penalty points.
 
Thanks Snooky.

The points did not have an impact on the frames outcome, so there was no issue. Just wanted to clarify for the future.

Mike
 
Seven point foul.

All numbered spot. Also the next shooter has the option to make you shoot again just as they would if you had committed any other foul.
Nick :)
 
nick serdula said:
All numbered spot. Also the next shooter has the option to make you shoot again just as they would if you had committed any other foul.
Nick :)
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In your title, you said: "Seven point foul." In fact, the foul penalty would be five points, the value of the blue.
 
Wow

Everyone here plays any foul is seven. I never saw it played before moving to Fl.
Makes me wounder what else is only good here. I know here they insist a rail be hit after contact. Or that too is a seven point foul too.
That pretty much eleminates one of the strongest defensive plays in the game. The house rules rae brutal! And they absolutely love liability by the point.
Thanks for the good info!
Nick :)
 
nick serdula said:
Everyone here plays any foul is seven. I never saw it played before moving to Fl.
Makes me wounder what else is only good here. I know here they insist a rail be hit after contact. Or that too is a seven point foul too.
That pretty much eleminates one of the strongest defensive plays in the game. The house rules rae brutal! And they absolutely love liability by the point.
Thanks for the good info!
Nick :)
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The real rules for snooker, as opposed to the Special Rules of Florida, are available from several sites including www.snookerusa.com. Maybe you could get some of the players there to play by the real rules. Try printing them off and leaving a copy by the table.
 
Yeah american rules SUCK! No point in playing a shot to nothing if you can't stick it to your apponent if you don't get good shape on a baulk colour.
Does anyone know if that's how they play at the US championships?
 
drsnooker said:
Yeah american rules SUCK! No point in playing a shot to nothing if you can't stick it to your apponent if you don't get good shape on a baulk colour.
Does anyone know if that's how they play at the US championships?
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It is not. Most snooker play in the US today is by immigrants from the Commonwealth countries, and it is by the real rules. The USSA is a member of the IBSF.
 
American rules do not mean a thing. They are just something somebody made up. Unlike most pool games there is only one set of rules for snooker which in my opinion are perfect and should be used all the time, even in Florida.
 
I have always played by the Official rules. However, that accurance had me a bit stumped on the proper procedure. Thanks for the comments.

Mike
 
(Not so) Real Rules...

I too have run into some of those "special rules" here in Texas. Although this was about 25 years ago. (damn, I'm old).

All fouls were 6 points and we played what was called the "wild six" (or "wild pink" for you fureners ;) ). Actually, "wild pink" sounds a lot better. Anyway, normally you would alternate between "reds" and numbered balls. But in "wild six" you could shoot the pink, or 6 ball, instead of a red. Then, if you made the 6, continue with your inning, shooting a red or the 6 again.

Very strange.
 
Str8PoolMan said:
... or "wild pink" for you fureners ;) ). Actually, "wild pink" sounds a lot better. Anyway, normally you would alternate between "reds" and numbered balls. But in "wild six" you could shoot the pink, or 6 ball, instead of a red. ...
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If any of you fureners plan a trip to the States, you should also note that in many locations here the colors in fact have their values stamped on them because it's too hard to remember that the black ball is seven and not eight, and so on. Sometimes the ball with the 6 on it is a vibrant orange rather than the effete pink you find in some sets. Some US sets are also an ample 2 1/8 inch in diameter as opposed to the stingy 2 1/16 that they use in the Old Country. Oh, and the pockets are funny -- sometimes really, really funny.
 
Bob Jewett said:
If any of you fureners plan a trip to the States, you should also note that in many locations here the colors in fact have their values stamped on them because it's too hard to remember that the black ball is seven and not eight, and so on. Sometimes the ball with the 6 on it is a vibrant orange rather than the effete pink you find in some sets. Some US sets are also an ample 2 1/8 inch in diameter as opposed to the stingy 2 1/16 that they use in the Old Country. Oh, and the pockets are funny -- sometimes really, really funny.
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This is how snooker is viewed in Europe:
- 12ft table with tough rounded pockets
- proper English napped cloth
- 2 1/16 balls, Aramith sets - NO NUMBERS ON COLOURS (God forbid)
- proper WBSA rules must be used

I don't know what you guys in the US play, but it definitely isn't proper snooker. If you don't use the same cloth, table dimensions and ball diameter, how can this game still be called snooker?
 
snooky said:
Since you committed a foul stroke by pocketing a ball not on (blue) the stroke on the brown was not a legal stroke, therefore no points should have been awarded for the brown. Both brown and blue should have been respotted and your opponent awarded 5 penalty points.
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Are you sure? I don't think the brown would be respotted.
 
I didn't think this question would cause such a buzz. Rules in different "pool" rooms are funny, regardless if it is American snooker or English snooker right? But those rules are generally created out of ignorance of the game. Kinda like all the variations of 8-ball and 9-ball "HOUSE" rules you run across.

I play on a 6" x 12" with 2 1/16" balls with West of England tournament cloth. The only thing I am not sure of are the pockets. There was a guy years ago in the Chicago area that had a set of templates. Not sure if he is still around.

I love the game. Just need an attorney to help with the rules on occasion.

Mike
 
Both American and English snooker rules are in the BCA rule book that I got when I bought my pool table. I've also seen the American snooker rules posted in the pool room next to the snooker table before. They are the rules that I usually play by at home, although I have spent some time studying and playing by both sets of rules. I don't think that either is superior, they are just different.
 
WesleyW said:
Are you sure? I don't think the brown would be respotted.
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The brown was not a legal pot because you also pocketed an illegal ball - the blue. Both come back up.
 
The seven point fouls don't bother me, it's the hitting a rail after contact that really hurts defence. If you make your shot to nothing and don't feel like cutting a tough yellow into the center with almost guaranteed shape for your opponent if you miss, you should be able to roll up behind it. Anyway, nothing but the real game with the real rules on my real imported snooker table either.
 
Hitting the rail after contact doesn't hurt defense; it makes it more difficult, like it should be. Just because you don't feel like playing a difficult shot shouldn't mean that you can just puss out and roll the cue ball up to the yellow. That's just wussy snooker. Nothing but a real American game with real American rules on my real American made snooker table. : )
 
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