people asking what my personal cue is? here it is!

iconcuecom said:
if that is your personal playing cue why do you have it priced and listed as new on you web site?

and if his cues are so great how come you will not take new unchalked blacks in on trade?
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Iwill sell even my playing cue if the price is right and you of all people should know that when you bought a cantando off me and i bought it back at full selling price!!( MY PLAYING CUE BEFORE THIS ONE) AND AS FOR THE ONES I WONT BUY FROM YOU THE ATHENA YOU DID NOT BUY FROM ME AND YOU WANT TO MUCH FOR IT AND IT DOES NOT HAVE ALL THE PARTS! SO BEFORE YOU SPEAK YOU SHOULD THINK !___" IT IS BETTER TO BE QUIET AND THOUGHT A FOOL, THAN TO OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT! "
 
cornerstone said:
Iwill sell even my playing cue if the price is right and you of all people should know that when you bought a cantando off me and i bought it back at full selling price!!( MY PLAYING CUE BEFORE THIS ONE) AND AS FOR THE ONES I WONT BUY FROM YOU THE ATHENA YOU DID NOT BUY FROM ME AND YOU WANT TO MUCH FOR IT AND IT DOES NOT HAVE ALL THE PARTS! SO BEFORE YOU SPEAK YOU SHOULD THINK !___" IT IS BETTER TO BE QUIET AND THOUGHT A FOOL, THAN TO OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT! "
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Pardon my ignorance as I am not that familiar with Richard Black's work. But I do put him way up there and maybe I can own one someday.

How many parts does the Athena have? Butt, 2 shafts, joint protectors and a case I suppose... what could be missing in this Athena Cue? ;)
 
monski said:
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Pardon my ignorance as I am not that familiar with Richard Black's work. But I do put him way up there and maybe I can own one someday.

How many parts does the Athena have? Butt, 2 shafts, joint protectors and a case I suppose... what could be missing in this Athena Cue? ;)
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the athena sold orig aprox 12500.00 and it came with a stand a box and a plack that shows the award it won and icon offered it to me for 18000.00 no hard feelings . and if thats not a good return on a investment i dont know what is. richards cues hold there value great and are a great investment
 
iconcuecom said:
$5k less than original retail is asking to much for an unchalked cue?

i guess you are saying richard black cues resale value is extremely poor?

i know his resale is not great but come on, surely you are not saying it's that bad.

what would where i purchased a cue have to do with a trade value?

you will have to educate me on what pieces are missing - i wasn't aware of that. it sure seems to be all there.

about your playing cue i was simply asking why you would say it was new on your site if it is not?

hope there is no hard feelings!
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i will give you 5000 less than the orig retail and pay in cash send the cue to a third party . and i will send the 7500.00 the orig retail was well known at 12500.00 so how do we maKE THE DEAL ?
 
Different Athenas sold for different amounts? There's a discrepancy between 20,000 and 12,500. ;)
 
Richard Black

From the somewhat outside the pool cue industry but an avid cue aficionado--I would say that RB is not at the top where he was 5+ years ago, there are many other cuemakers that people prefer to collect and play. Just my opinion, but I also like his much older work more.

iconcuecom said:
so now you are saying rblacks athena is only worth 7.5k? you really shouldn't trash his work like that. you are supposed to be one of his top promoters.

i would hate to see how the value of your cue has dropped since you play with it everyday.

"orig retail was well known at 12500" that is not what mr black told me. are you doubting his word?

first you trash his work and now you are doubting his word? i'm sure glad you are not my promoter!

just b/c you think his resale is extremely poor is no reason to show him such a lack of respect! you should be ashamed of yourself!
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iconcuecom said:
$5k less than original retail is asking to much for an unchalked cue?

i guess you are saying richard black cues resale value is extremely poor?

i know his resale is not great but come on, surely you are not saying it's that bad.

how would where i purchased a cue effect the trade value?

you will have to educate me on what pieces are missing - i wasn't aware of that. it sure seems to be all there.

about your playing cue i was simply asking why you would say it was new on your site if it is not?

hope there is no hard feelings!
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I don't think the word RETAIL should be used by those who purchase cues at discounted prices. Wheathr it is because you buy a few at a time or have deals worked out with cuemakers. A cue is only worth what it sells for unless you buy wholesale. Even then it is only worth what somebody will pay for it.
I gotta tell ya, I love your business and think it is tough. Now everybody, let's all be friends and get along. I hope you both are blessed with success and good fortune.
God Bless, Don ( Cue Lover ) P.
 
Donald A. Purdy said:
I don't think the word RETAIL should be used by those who purchase cues at discounted prices. Wheathr it is because you buy a few at a time or have deals worked out with cuemakers. A cue is only worth what it sells for unless you buy wholesale. Even then it is only worth what somebody will pay for it.
I gotta tell ya, I love your business and think it is tough. Now everybody, let's all be friends and get along. I hope you both are blessed with success and good fortune.
God Bless, Don ( Cue Lover ) P.
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Don,
This isn't to accurate. If we buy from a cuemaker we normally list at that cuemakers "retail" or a little above. (New cues ONLY) So to be fair to the cuemakers that we buy from, we should list at retail. The exception is cuemakers with entended wait time OR special cues, commemorative type, and the like.

As far as used cues.. well you have to start somewhere.. :)

Joe
 
iconcuecom said:
name some highend cue makers with published prices
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Define published?

Besides anyone can call any cuemaker, describe the cue and know what RETAIL is. All it takes is a phone call.

Example, Mottey who we consider a "house" cuemaker, we post his cues at a little above retail. If you want to verify the prices we post, just call him. Why do we do this? A- we put out money to buy the cue initially, its called interest, and B- we have absorbed the wait time. C- you know you will be haggled with and have to possibly absorb a trade.

This is no secret.

There are other dealers that do things, lets say differently.

Joe
 
iconcuecom said:
thanks zack,

what i was meaning was that highend makers usually price a cue when they make it and don't have standard pricing that most people would refer to as retail. i've seen one maker add 10k to a price just b/c he thought he could get it from an individual.
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Icon,

Well that is cuemaker is an oppertunist, but thats not a game you want to play in this economy. A reputation for doing things like that will cut into your orders for sure.

One other point, lets say that individual is a collector and he wants to trade the cue, you offer it to another dealer and he might laugh at you because he knows the "true" retail value.

Joe (--guess it could happen
 
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classiccues said:
Icon,

Well that is cuemaker is an oppertunist, but thats not a game you want to play in this economy. A reputation for doing things like that will cut into your orders for sure.

One other point, lets say that individual is a collector and he wants to trade the cue, you offer it to another dealer and he might laugh at you because he knows the "true" retail value.

Joe (--guess it could happen
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I agree, I would not order a cue from such a cuemaker regardless of how much I might want one of his cues! I generally try to get an idea of pricing before I contact the cuemaker and if he high-balled me like that, I would never do business with that person and, furthermore, would discourage others from doing so as well.
 
iconcuecom said:
i see. when the economy is good that would be fine?

the word is "opportunist". i find that amusing coming from you.

sorry to hear that your sales are down!
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No where did I say it would ever be fine, if you put words into my mouth, you won't like the results.

Find what amusing? Remember to read the name at the bottom
of the post. If you haven't dealt with me, be careful.

Our sales are fine..

Joe (---don't blame us if you buy bad...
 
iconcuecom said:
i see. now if you threaten me - that makes me immature

cannot say i really follow your logic
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Really..???

I say its not ok to screw someone and your retort says that I am saying it is ok...

I say don't confuse me with someone else or you won't like it and you turn that into some threat of bodily harm..

I think you follow my logic just fine.

Look Jeff, you want to bust Grassleys nuts because you and him ain't getting along, fine. You and Mark couldn't make a deal, thats not MY problem. All the cues you want to buy from Gallager, I sold him. Gallager will tell you the kind of person I am. So before you stick your foot in your mouth here, do some research.

Joe
 
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iconcuecom said:
i couldn't agree more about using retail. what i should have said was original selling price.
i'm up for being friends!

thanks, don

which of p's cues is your favorite?
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I just love the Richard Black butterfly cue with the matching JP's. One Purdy cue. I may try and buy it one day. You know how it is man, mortgage, 401K,
health insurance, the boat and car, horse, wife, cats, gasoline, the list seems to go on forever. One of these day man, one of these days!!!!!
Don
 
classiccues said:
Don,
This isn't to accurate. If we buy from a cuemaker we normally list at that cuemakers "retail" or a little above. (New cues ONLY) So to be fair to the cuemakers that we buy from, we should list at retail. The exception is cuemakers with entended wait time OR special cues, commemorative type, and the like.

As far as used cues.. well you have to start somewhere.. :)

Joe
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Joe, I think the cue is worth what someone will pay for it wheather you buy direct from the cuemaker or thru another party. That's all I am saying. Most of the cues my friend buys are " Special ". It is how he likes to invest. I understand what you are saying about devaluing a cuemakers cues. That is what I don't understand about this thread. Cue was listed at $20,000. The guy paid $18,000 and then tried to sell it for $15,000. Why would somebody lose 25% on a cue deal. I have cues I bought from Espiritu in 99. They arn't going anywhere until I can at least get my money back and a little more. Go figure!!!!
Don P.
 
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