If pool is such a horrible sport to spectate why is it so popular in Asia and Europe and why is snooker so very well covered...and spectated in Europe?yes no one would ever doing anything like bet on golf. and i'm sure that no golfer has ever cheated either. come on man, there are plenty of honest players who call fouls on themselves. in the golf world for i'm sure for every greg norman there is another player who would have had no trouble keeping their mouth shut about an "experimental ball". the reason there is no money in pool is quite simply its a horrible sport to spectate, even for pple who love it. thats it right there. no audience=no potential consumers=no sponsors=no money. there thats the secret formula. find a way to make pool enjoyable to spectate to a wide demographic and there will be money.
brian
I agree with this statement partially.Well with the allegations going on of cheating at the UPL tournament once again pool players have shown why there in no money in the sport. Between this, Earl Strickland on T.V. saying if the ref don't see it is not a foul, the IPT bank the 8 ball and get a $ 500 bonus and guys setting each other up for banks the pool players have shown us why no major sponsors will ever line up to sponsor pool. Golf is a gentleman game and they call fouls on themselves( Greg Norman was once sitting in his hotel room after leading the 3rd round of a tournament when he realized he had played an experimental ball that was not yet cleared for PGA play. He could of easily switched balls for the 4th round and nobody would of known a thing instead he disqualified himself out of the tournament).. Now this is where someone writes in and says yeah but look at what golfers make it is easy for them to DQ themselves. Golf wasn't always a rewarding sport but throughout history golf has been a gentlemans game and because of that sponsors were drawn to that and because of that the golfers are reaping the rewards. It is particulary bad when the big names of pool are involved in some of the shenanigans. Can anybody picture Phil Mickelson saying the ref didnt see it it is not a foul.
and just to be clear, there is some money in pool. i believe mika scored about $100,000 btwn the qatar open, us open, and challenge of champions wins. not bad for a less that 6 month span. its way more than i make. but of course not as many are able to make a living at pro pool as other sports. however pools "stygma" hasnt prevented there being some money for those skilled enough to take it.
brian
If pool is such a horrible sport to spectate why is it so popular in Asia and Europe and why is snooker so very well covered...and spectated in Europe?
Ever watch a snooker match on YouTube? They have large, well-behaved audiences that seem genuinely appreciate everything they're watching.
all in all the game as a professional sport lacks credence b/c we have no one person, no specific group, no finalizing committe; no standardized rules which define the champion, the game, the venue, the action, or the character and heart that makes up pool.
do you know what the number #1 sport in the world is as far as merchandise sold and endorser money? Nascar.. that is a real exciting sport buddy.. 50 guys driving around in a circle.
I agree with this statement partially.
We have read countless threads about this, flamed and debated each other ad nauseum to no end, so I can't really offer anything new except to say this:
The cheating and bad behavior are not the reasons why.
How many criminals currently play (and are embraced by the public) in the major sports like baseball, basketball, football, hockey?
It has to do with what people want to watch, and they are willing to turn a blind eye in favor of worshipping their favorite players and teams.
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Just two days ago I was in a staff meeting and somebody asked me if I was going to any more big tournaments (he knew I just went to the US Open). I told him I was considering DCC. Then he mentioned he sees pool on TV all the time with "that Asian chick" who seems to "play the part to market herself by dressing sexy". Then some others in the meeting exclaimed, "Yeah, I've seen her too! Her name is Jean or something?"
Keep in mind that these people know NOTHING about pool, but they have an idea of who Jeannette is, and they saw her on ESPN.
When I think of the greatness I have witnessed at the US Open etc. with the male pros it really chaps my butt...but again, it is the fault of the pros for not being, or trying to be more marketable.
Old argument, I know...but just last night I got excited because ESPN had a US Open championship being televised. Tony Robles was playing Rafael Martinez. The audio was poor, and although Danny D. is highly knowledgeable, he is NOT made for TV.
Translation: mainstream viewing audiences, or channel surfers, would want nothing to do with this broadcast.
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Just the other day I was at Q-Masters in Chesapeake during the US Open, and Chohan was playing Shuff one-pocket. Someone from my town was also there, and he said to me out of the blue, "I am glad Chohan is here and he got away."
I said, "What do you mean, 'got away'?
He said, "You know what I mean, that he is out and not in jail."
I took it to mean that he was glad Chohan "beat the rap", "beat the system", or whatever.
He clearly was willing to embrace Chohan either because he is a great player, or because he seemed to have "beaten a drug rap", which we all now know is not the case, but back then he was clearly "out" wearing an ankle bracelet.
My point is, this is an example of a fan embracing someone who clearly would have tarnished the sport's image and furthered the stigma of pool players were we really in the mainstream.
AZ'ers, take note...I am not criticising or attacking Tony in any way, just making a point, so all you staunch Chohan-lovers...back off!
So that's partially my take...the behavior is not the sole reason, but it certainly does not help.
Very well said iNside English.
Pool just does not appeal to the US public period. People don't gather around the television in groups on Sundays, buy beer and pizza to watch pre recorded, trickshot magic, womens (slow and clap after every shot) pool or no name mens pool players on espn. Their is no fantasy pool league. Parents dont' send their kids to little league pocket billiards. Colleges don't offer pool scholorships. Pool has and never will have any tv appeal period. Pool has no marketing appeal either. No jerseys to sell, hats, t-shirts, shoes, or styles of its own. Big corporations have nothing to gain from pool which really has noting to offer its customers other than pool tables and pool cues.
If it did it would have already.
Very well said iNside English.
Pool just does not appeal to the US public period. People don't gather around the television in groups on Sundays, buy beer and pizza to watch pre recorded, trickshot magic, womens (slow and clap after every shot) pool or no name mens pool players on espn. Their is no fantasy pool league. Parents dont' send their kids to little league pocket billiards. Colleges don't offer pool scholorships. Pool has and never will have any tv appeal period. Pool has no marketing appeal either. No jerseys to sell, hats, t-shirts, shoes, or styles of its own. Big corporations have nothing to gain from pool which really has noting to offer its customers other than pool tables and pool cues.
If it did it would have already.
do you know what the number #1 sport in the world is as far as merchandise sold and endorser money? Nascar.. that is a real exciting sport buddy.. 50 guys driving around in a circle.
I think we should all work to convince Bill Gates that pool is the greatest thing on earth...We can talk about this issue for ever and it will get us no where. I guess
it is what it is, an enigma. Golf and bowling are pretty boring to watch but
millions are watching, don't know how that works. You have a live free
stream of a major pool tournament and there is only 300+ viewers but
there is over 6 billion people on earth. How sad ? I hope it will change but
I seriously doubt it![]()
Speaking of Nascar, if there were no accidents involved there would be much lessUm...there are only 43 drivers in a Nascar race :grin-square:
Someday we should take a road trip to Bristol...Im sure by the week's end, you'd have a new found interest.
Voo~~~laughin' knowin' he aint going outside unless they have pool tables under air conditioned tents
Speaking of Nascar, if there were no accidents involved there would be much less
people watching this sport. That's just my opinion.
Speaking of Nascar, if there were no accidents involved there would be much less
people watching this sport. That's just my opinion.