Perception in CTE Pro 1

I don't do it. I have studied it out of curiosity enough to know that some of the people who praise it are not doing it as taught.

Obviously studying it isn't enough if you actually think you can see the visuals CTE/ETA, and still see the same visuals if you move your head to the left or right.
 
I think Neil was telling about eye position related to balls. This is what differs. It is actually easy to imagine or if not, you can take real balls, or you can take 2 cups if you do not have access to a pool table. Place them somewhere, does not matter where, connect what you think, say center to edge. Note where that line is, then move your eyes a little bit, you can move your head, connect again, you will see the angle changes. When they say the same visuals, it is not, "the same" means center to edge remains center to edge, but the real line is different.

This is a similar effect when you shoot. For example, let's say you know how to shoot straight. Then move your head a little bit right when you shoot, then when you try to shoot straight, the cue ball, if I am not confused, will go left and the object ball to the right.

One thing you are right, that position offset (you tell something is different) is trained. After some time it becomes natural and the person does not see it. While I use a different method I shoot well-known for me positions without thinking, I see the aim line right away without any calculations. The secret is to receive feedback on each shot,calibrate and create a connection in the brain about intput - output of the shot. After some time it becomes like a reflex.

The training of the brain is not that difficult, one can train it in a finite number of spots, then try to adjust for spots between. Sometimes it can be done automatically right away since the brain is designed to solve problems like that very well.

Bingo!!!!!
 
Obviously studying it isn't enough if you actually think you can see the visuals CTE/ETA, and still see the same visuals if you move your head to the left or right.

I've seen you play. I'll take my aiming instructions from somewhere else thankyou.
 
Bingo!!!!!

One thing you are right, there are CTE practitioners who adjust the pivot by doing shift plus turn movement thus controlling the effective radius of the pivot or physically changing the radius.

My understanding that Stan is not doing it. He is saying his pivot is always the same.

There is actually a good reason to not adjust pivot due a different cut angle. The matter is that to train a muscular memory is extremely difficult. It is much harder task than, say to try balance on one leg. For that reason a good pre-shot routine shall differ from one shot to another as little as possible. Than less variables between shots, than it is easier to train one's muscles if the same of similar motion is trained.

Than more a person challenged, than more they will do mistakes, so simplification of the process is necessary, which provides less room for an error.
 
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One thing you are right, there are CTE practitioners who adjust the pivot by doing shift plus turn movement thus controlling the effective radius of the pivot or physically changing the radius.

My understanding that Stan is not doing it. He is saying his pivot is always the same.

You are asking some great questions. Let me ask you one.

If Stan's pivot is in fact the exact same, and his visuals are in fact objective without any assistance needed from the subconscious mind, then what causes the difference in angle on the shots we have been discussing?
 
You are asking some great questions. Let me ask you one.

If Stan's pivot is in fact the exact same, and his visuals are in fact objective without any assistance needed from the subconscious mind, then what causes the difference in angle on the shots we have been discussing?

On visuals... The key word in your statement is "objective", in his case "subjective" visuals are the same, not "objective", meaning it connects the proper points according his point of view which "objectively" changes if the viewer changes their eyes position. The absolute coordinates of the points are changing depending on the eyes position.
 
On visuals... The key word in your statement is "objective", in his case "subjective" visuals are the same, not "objective", meaning it connects the proper points according his point of view which "objectively" changes if the viewer changes their eyes position. The absolute coordinates of the points are changing depending on the eyes position.

And what causes the eye positions to change?
 
Bieber,

I PM you one day and You haven't reply back to me and Thanks you for that even though it was rude not to respond back......anyway I don't see you explaining to me or give me some kind of words to help me. I surely have not seen your videos. I got one video of me shooting and I broke and ran out with the system I was taught by Hal Houle.

I got 2 aiming systems that is for myself to shoot with and I am sticking with it, but I am always up to learn something new cause I love the game. If I learn something new and it doesn't work I can always go back to 2 aiming systems I got for myself. I was so amaze by Pro1/cte when I 1st saw the trailer of it.......well bought the dvd and year and half trying to get it down was the wasted time of my life. This aiming system does not work for me. I've seen some videos people show on pro1.....well cool but all they doing is saying center to edge.....B the shoot....it went in. WELL THAT RIGHT THERE DOES NOT HELP saying just that.....gotta explain more into it then just saying center to edge cue ball edge to A OR B.....well that not good enough to know how to do it. I gave up on this system and will not learn this until someone show me right here in front of me at the table showing me what they are doing.
 
You are asking some great questions. Let me ask you one.

If Stan's pivot is in fact the exact same, and his visuals are in fact objective without any assistance needed from the subconscious mind, then what causes the difference in angle on the shots we have been discussing?

I think a more proper word in my reply would be "relative" than "subjective", which means "relative" to the shooter's eyes, how the shooter sees the lines. It is not an optical illusion since the shooter can spot the difference in angles but it relates to geometry of projection of light reflection to the eyes. When the shooter moves eyes, one part of the ball hides, another one opens, shifting the meaning "center" and "edge".

I am not sure if he does other body adjustments or not, but I suspect not, at least not much, maybe only some natural movements, e.g. to reach balls on certain positions far from rail, and the reason I think this way is because he used to be a competing professional player and on that level of play all movements are trained to be consistent. He would not be able to compete if his movements were sloppy.
 
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And what causes the eye positions to change?

As I mentioned, the training. The trainee receives feedback on shots, adjusts the position and after the training it becomes natural.

There may also be some other hidden optimizations in the method I am not aware of. You know, the brain is a complex thing.
 
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when I am playing and shooting, I'll have like 1 or 2 people watching me shoot and wow by how I am aiming. They come up to me asking me how I am aiming and looking at the balls, I tell them I am not looking at the balls. I just see how the angles is and know which to shoot at is A,B,C AND EDGES

I don't shoot shoot and make people watch me shoot cause that not going to help them see what I am doing. I just go step by step even picking up the cue ball how I am landing my cue stick on the cue ball and what I am doing with my cue stick.

Then I tell them that are A,B,C AND EDGES TO HIT ON THE OBJECT BALL. Most shots are hit on A,B,AND C and rarely on edges

I set up some simple shots on using the balls as cue ball and other to hit at. well I set up simple angles shot to see A and C SHOTS. then some edges shot. I show them what I am doing on my cue stick using edge of shaft/ferrule to line up at A,B,C AND EDGES. They were kind of odd about it but they did exactly what I told them and showing and pin pointing with my finger seeing A,B,C, AND EDGES, They were making some simple shots and edges shot.......they told me wow this system is easy and simple also no guess work and ghost ball crap.

BEFORE I LEFT I TOLD THEM ONLY THING BE HARD IN YOUR JOURNEY LEARNING THIS SYSTEM IS RECOGNIZING THE ANGLES AND CHOOSING WHICH SHOTS IS A,B,C OR EDGES. then after a month or so same people from the league night told me your system way is cool and my game went up.

Now see I went in step to step with them and didn't leave anything out for them. I am not one of those guy who go well do this and that....well that idk i just know that for you to figure out yourself.....well that mess up and figuring out yourself is not the correct way to tell someone who trying to learn the system. I explain it and i told them a head up what will be easy and hard to practice.....I show them the why it will be hard and they saw what I was talking about but still made the ball in.
 
Throw together a set vs the ghost so we can see how your aiming holds up over more than 1 rack. I am not saying that it doesn't or won't - I am curious to see it. It sounds like you use the quarters system. I say play with what works.

There is nothing left out in Pro One / CTE.


when I am playing and shooting, I'll have like 1 or 2 people watching me shoot and wow by how I am aiming. They come up to me asking me how I am aiming and looking at the balls, I tell them I am not looking at the balls. I just see how the angles is and know which to shoot at is A,B,C AND EDGES

I don't shoot shoot and make people watch me shoot cause that not going to help them see what I am doing. I just go step by step even picking up the cue ball how I am landing my cue stick on the cue ball and what I am doing with my cue stick.

Then I tell them that are A,B,C AND EDGES TO HIT ON THE OBJECT BALL. Most shots are hit on A,B,AND C and rarely on edges

I set up some simple shots on using the balls as cue ball and other to hit at. well I set up simple angles shot to see A and C SHOTS. then some edges shot. I show them what I am doing on my cue stick using edge of shaft/ferrule to line up at A,B,C AND EDGES. They were kind of odd about it but they did exactly what I told them and showing and pin pointing with my finger seeing A,B,C, AND EDGES, They were making some simple shots and edges shot.......they told me wow this system is easy and simple also no guess work and ghost ball crap.

BEFORE I LEFT I TOLD THEM ONLY THING BE HARD IN YOUR JOURNEY LEARNING THIS SYSTEM IS RECOGNIZING THE ANGLES AND CHOOSING WHICH SHOTS IS A,B,C OR EDGES. then after a month or so same people from the league night told me your system way is cool and my game went up.

Now see I went in step to step with them and didn't leave anything out for them. I am not one of those guy who go well do this and that....well that idk i just know that for you to figure out yourself.....well that mess up and figuring out yourself is not the correct way to tell someone who trying to learn the system. I explain it and i told them a head up what will be easy and hard to practice.....I show them the why it will be hard and they saw what I was talking about but still made the ball in.
 
Its been discussed before about the same line up and sweep can create a different angle.What makes this happen?Does the system produce the final shooting line or is it the shooter?


Anthony
 
Bieber,

I PM you one day and You haven't reply back to me and Thanks you for that even though it was rude not to respond back......anyway I don't see you explaining to me or give me some kind of words to help me. I surely have not seen your videos. I got one video of me shooting and I broke and ran out with the system I was taught by Hal Houle.

I got 2 aiming systems that is for myself to shoot with and I am sticking with it, but I am always up to learn something new cause I love the game. If I learn something new and it doesn't work I can always go back to 2 aiming systems I got for myself. I was so amaze by Pro1/cte when I 1st saw the trailer of it.......well bought the dvd and year and half trying to get it down was the wasted time of my life. This aiming system does not work for me. I've seen some videos people show on pro1.....well cool but all they doing is saying center to edge.....B the shoot....it went in. WELL THAT RIGHT THERE DOES NOT HELP saying just that.....gotta explain more into it then just saying center to edge cue ball edge to A OR B.....well that not good enough to know how to do it. I gave up on this system and will not learn this until someone show me right here in front of me at the table showing me what they are doing.

I saw your PM. Why didn't I respond? Because you have nothing but rude things to say about Pro One and Stan. I have better uses for my time.
 
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