personal discovery in stroke

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deanoc

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certain shots kept coming up that i hit very poorly

as i practiced,if that is really the word for it
i discovered i could make the shots almost everytime shooting one handed

never jacked up

so that in a game,even high dollar game

i began to soot the shots with one hand

i found i made the shots almost every time

then one day as i was knocking around balls with this thought on my mind

i began to shoot these shots with an exaggerated pause
almost like my one handed efforts

i now make shots ,control the white ball and hit the object ball,pocket speed
with much better control

i am talking about slow roll shots,not anything with power,english or draw

really helpful on thin cuts,long thin cuts

i don't have any idea why,but if i have a shot like this come up
i am really accurate or more accurate
 
I love when I learn new things, even if they were accidental. Thanks for sharing.

Dave
 
deanoc said:
certain shots kept coming up that i hit very poorly

as i practiced,if that is really the word for it
i discovered i could make the shots almost everytime shooting one handed

never jacked up

so that in a game,even high dollar game

i began to soot the shots with one hand

i found i made the shots almost every time

then one day as i was knocking around balls with this thought on my mind

i began to shoot these shots with an exaggerated pause
almost like my one handed efforts

i now make shots ,control the white ball and hit the object ball,pocket speed
with much better control

i am talking about slow roll shots,not anything with power,english or draw

really helpful on thin cuts,long thin cuts

i don't have any idea why,but if i have a shot like this come up
i am really accurate or more accurate
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I can't wait to get to a table to play with this. I think it's brilliant.

I use many techniques that involve aiding my visualization of the shot. Seeing the shot is the hardest part. Once you see it in your mind, making it happen on the table isn't that tough. There are many odd things that allow us to help that picture come into focus, and if it works, it works. I can see this could have some potential value for me, so thank you for sharing +2!
 
I discovered the same thing a long time ago when I was playing more frequently, mentioned this same thing in the "aiming system" thread here a little while ago. I have some theories as to why it works, but it does....
 
I discovered on long shots when the cue is close/almost frozen to the rail that an Allen Hopkins type stroke works best for me as far as accuracy. What I mean is that once I see where I need to correctly hit the cue ball I'll only go back maybe 3 inches in my backswing and just go through the cueball as hard as I need but the super short backswing takes out all the error in missing my exact aiming point. I literally figured this out by practicing at home and playing much better on these shots compared to the poolroom and realized the difference was the length of backswing because I have some spots where a wall or something restricts my room to pull the cue back but at the poolroom I could go back as far as I wanted. Again after hitting them way better with the restricted backswing I tried incorporating it into my everyday game regardless of being restricted or not. Obviously it would be effective on every shot for accuracy but I'm a more fluid rhythm type player so I can't use this on every shot but when I'm on the rail n need precise accuracy it comes In handy.

Besides Allen Hopkins I've seen Rodney Morris use this technique but his stroke is more fluid so it's masked behind his smoothness and I'm not sure if he always did it or changed to it in his later years but he gets the most power out of inches of backstroke it's wonderful
 
I am not sure which instructor, but IIRC there is a fairly will known instructor (of the pros) that makes players do a drill where you lay the cue on the rail and shoot shots one handed.
 
BRKNRUN said:
I am not sure which instructor, but IIRC there is a fairly will known instructor (of the pros) that makes players do a drill where you lay the cue on the rail and shoot shots one handed.
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Bert Kinister does this in his 'fundamentals' video.
 
My theroy is that the pause helps the muscles transistion from a back stroke motion to a forward stroke motion.

The muscles have to reverse their action. The pause gives the muscles time to do this.

A muscle contracts or extends depending on the motion of the joint. If a muscle is contacting on the back stroke, it will extend on the forward stroke.

The pause helps this transistion.

Shooting one handed also demonstrates the importance of getting the grid hand in the right position.
 
..if I recall, you're one without picture's, so video would be a lost hope. Right now I'm to
lazy to get up and walk over to the table to check it out, I'm thinking not having the
bridge hand down on the table would give you a better line of sight on the object ball,
standing back on the line a little more? and, in the big match would have that theater value, good deal.
 
duckie said:
My theroy is that the pause helps the muscles transistion from a back stroke motion to a forward stroke motion.

The muscles have to reverse their action. The pause gives the muscles time to do this.

A muscle contracts or extends depending on the motion of the joint. If a muscle is contacting on the back stroke, it will extend on the forward stroke.

The pause helps this transistion.

Shooting one handed also demonstrates the importance of getting the grid hand in the right position.
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When Buddy Hall lived in Tulsa i used to watch him a lot and had that pause down to perfection. I asked him if anybody showed him and he said no, he just did it from very early on. Could watch that action all day, sometimes i did!!
 
I've finally got a pool table at home and I've been worried about my stroke not being straight. I would consider myself an upper intermediate to lower advanced player. Anyway, sometimes I make the same mistake of missing left. Over and over in table length shots. I can do the table length drill from diamond to diamond and the cue ball comes right back to my tip. So, I though maybe just when I hit a little harder it comes off a little.

What I did was go back to basics. A pre shot routine of stepping into every shot. What I found is that I was t setting up over the shot on the correct line. I had been standing too far to the left side. Now, I make sure to get online and mainly my back foot online. I'm a bigger guy and this forces me to get my body out of the way rather than just bending over and putting my pool stick where it feels comfortable. The result. Straight shots, my power is back effortlessly and much better cue ball control. Especially backspin. Personal discovery. Love it!!


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This topic has been covered several times on here. Surprised you never picked it up before.
 
Depth Perception Exercise in Pause

deanoc said:
certain shots kept coming up that i hit very poorly

as i practiced,if that is really the word for it
i discovered i could make the shots almost everytime shooting one handed

never jacked up

so that in a game,even high dollar game

i began to soot the shots with one hand

i found i made the shots almost every time

then one day as i was knocking around balls with this thought on my mind

i began to shoot these shots with an exaggerated pause
almost like my one handed efforts

i now make shots ,control the white ball and hit the object ball,pocket speed
with much better control

i am talking about slow roll shots,not anything with power,english or draw

really helpful on thin cuts,long thin cuts

i don't have any idea why,but if i have a shot like this come up
i am really accurate or more accurate
Click to expand...

I can tell when I hit my speed and it feels just like you mentioned. I've analyzed aiming technique for a number of years and I have a belief about it.

I believe in order for you to hit the top of your speed you have to come a solid visual sense of the pool table. You're seeing the table as if its your pool table sized world. You see everything very plainly because you've been paying attention to the table and just the extra second gives you a pause you never had before enhancing your accuracy. When "just an extra second" works so well you might ought make that second be your "feel to" moment and learn to capitalize on it. Sometimes a small tweak is all it takes to start feeling it good and measuring that stroke speed better. Something has to click in order for you to grab it and congratulations, I think you found it.

 
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You better not

deanoc said:
certain shots kept coming up that i hit very poorly

as i practiced,if that is really the word for it
i discovered i could make the shots almost everytime shooting one handed

never jacked up

so that in a game,even high dollar game

i began to soot the shots with one hand

i found i made the shots almost every time

then one day as i was knocking around balls with this thought on my mind

i began to shoot these shots with an exaggerated pause
almost like my one handed efforts

i now make shots ,control the white ball and hit the object ball,pocket speed
with much better control

i am talking about slow roll shots,not anything with power,english or draw

really helpful on thin cuts,long thin cuts

i don't have any idea why,but if i have a shot like this come up
i am really accurate or more accurate
Click to expand...

The next time I'm in with you and you start shooting one handed I'm out and not
coming up with my half. Unless you win, in which case I'll demand more than my
half for putting me through the all of the aggravation of watching.
jack
 
Potter is not joking
he has no heart as a sweater,he has ice water when playing
but gets nervous watching me play

no heart what soever
 
One handed

To me it's good practice,it seems like you have to line up better one handed.But I can't play well either way anymore & can't figure out why?
 
deanoc said:
certain shots kept coming up that i hit very poorly

as i practiced,if that is really the word for it
i discovered i could make the shots almost everytime shooting one handed

never jacked up

so that in a game,even high dollar game

i began to soot the shots with one hand

i found i made the shots almost every time

then one day as i was knocking around balls with this thought on my mind

i began to shoot these shots with an exaggerated pause
almost like my one handed efforts

i now make shots ,control the white ball and hit the object ball,pocket speed
with much better control

i am talking about slow roll shots,not anything with power,english or draw

really helpful on thin cuts,long thin cuts

i don't have any idea why,but if i have a shot like this come up
i am really accurate or more accurate
Click to expand...

Yrs back when I fell out of stroke I'd play guys on the cheap one handed what it taught me was a steady stroke leave angles to roll to next shots

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