PfD CuE fOr S@LE !!!

Jeff said:
I have a hard time believing people will order fancy cues, with exotic woods and no wraps, with the intention of of using them as "playing" cues.".
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Not to beat this to death but... I have been trying to play pool seriously for about 14 months now and play about 5 nights a week. Mostly drills and practice and some 8 ball league.

Early on, a former champion billiards player extoled the virtues of wrapless cues and initially I didn't buy it but I do now and play with one everyday. The wrap cues stay in the closet.

I also just took delivery in the last couple of weeks of my long awaited PFDrexler. (Put some pics in the gallery).http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=24154 Not sure if this counts as fancy but it is now my everyday cue and it is NOT for sale ;-) I love it.

Paul was first rate and did a great job. In reading his post and dealing with him I don't believe his intention was a slam against Benny in any way. His only mistake was probably posting at all. Obviously Paul loves to make the super ornate stuff but I think he also loves building a beautiful cue for a player that is going to use it everyday. That is what he did for me and I thank him.

No slam on production cues, but whenever the locals start talking about $1200 Schon's or Meucci's, I cringe and want to sing the praises of the custom cuemakers. A little more risk I suppose but I think it is worth it.
 
If a cuemaker is so worried about some random customer making a profit on his cue, then he should charge more. If someone knows these things are going for more than what he is charging on the secondary market, then he isn't charging enough. How many "players" do you know that have been playing with the same cue for years? Me... very few. The overwhelming trend if there is one, is some guys gets a fancy cue, gets used to the hit, trys something else, likes it, changes, gets hard up, sells. Breaks the bank, buys. I've myself have even owned the same JW twice. Cues get sold. Pool players are a strange crowd. Cuemakers are the strangest of the players.

People play with hella-expensive cues. I have seen very few cogs, benders, southwests, etc. that were not everyday playing cues. I bought a Joss West, Bender, SW, Kersh, Black, all to play with. Now as far as I'm concerned, with life's lessons learned, if it's any kind of piloted joint, the only place for the cue is a display case, but other than that, there aren't many out there I wouldn't play with, and I'm not exactly Bill Gates or anything either.

Japan... nuff said.
 
pdrexler said:
I am not offended by his selling the cue - it is his to do with as he pleases. But when a cuemaker does more than the customer ordered and paid for, as a way of showing his appreciation, only to have the customer turn around within a month and sell it (as he has done with several other makers) . . . well forgive me for seeing a pattern - clearly this cue was NOT for him - and wishing him better luck next time was not "sour grapes" only a sincere wish that he might find another maker who will make him happy . . . perhaps an impossible task given his past transactions.
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I must be in the minority here. I am not a cuemaker
but if I built a cue for someone to their "specifications"
and it immediately goes on the market I would be
annoyed too. I definitely see your point, Mr Drexler.
Especially if he's doing this over and over. Your
posts show me you take a lot of pride in your work.
 
hondo said:
I must be in the minority here. I am not a cuemaker
but if I built a cue for someone to their "specifications"
and it immediately goes on the market I would be
annoyed too. I definitely see your point, Mr Drexler.
Especially if he's doing this over and over. Your
posts show me you take a lot of pride in your work.
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Why would you be annoyed?

-- Did the seller pay you enough to make building the cue worth your time and money? No? Then charge more. Yes? Then enjoy the $$!

-- Did the seller make way more selling it on the secondary market? No? Maybe he even lost money. Yes? Then your prices are too low.

-- Did you feel like there were many other "more worthy" customers in line who would enjoy your work better? Then raise your prices until you find the right balance between your free time and satisfaction, and your customers who want it the most.
 
pfd also states he knew of the guy's history. if he did know why would he have done extra work for free and then later gripe because the guy followed his past history. :confused:
i own an expensive pfd bought on the secondary market and called pfd asking only for a letter describing the cue (not authentication). he knew i owned it and had for awhile. he said he would be more than happy to! FOR $300.00 :eek:
 
Well Jeff, before you give everyone the wrong impression perhaps you might share exactly what was different about the cue you purchased and exactly why the letter you asked for "describing" the cue involved much more than a "simple" description. If you are going to tell the story - how about telling the whole story. I offered to write a full and detailed history of the cue describing in detail the materials, the design and circumstances under which it was created, for whom, why, and subsequently how it ended up being sold. All of which would and does add significantly to the value. Such a description of the cue would have involved more than a simple half page written text and I indicated that to you at the time. The amount I asked for was very specific to THIS cue and with good reason. This was not a simple 4 point 4 veneer cue with a bunch of inlays.http://azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/images/smilies/wink.gif
;)
 
pdrexler said:
Well Jeff, before you give everyone the wrong impression perhaps you might share exactly what was different about the cue you purchased and exactly why the letter you asked for "describing" the cue involved much more than a "simple" description. If you are going to tell the story - how about telling the whole story. I offered to write a full and detailed history of the cue describing in detail the materials, the design and circumstances under which it was created, for whom, why, and subsequently how it ended up being sold. All of which would and does add significantly to the value. Such a description of the cue would have involved more than a simple half page written text and I indicated that to you at the time. The amount I asked for was very specific to THIS cue and with good reason. This was not a simple 4 point 4 veneer cue with a bunch of inlays.
;)
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paul, i wouldnt think these kind of posts would be good for your business.
i thought you had indicated you couldnt even reveal who it was made for? now you say you were going to write it in a detailed description letter. as to whether or not it would add to the value is debatable. i would be more than happy just to get my original investment back.
you also fail to mention what i was contacting you about when the letter came up. but i wont go into that unless you would like me to!

best regards
jeff
 
Jeff, if you would like to give me a call I will be glad to help you find a buyer for that cue.

Kindest regards,
Paul
 
pdrexler said:
Well Jeff, before you give everyone the wrong impression perhaps you might share exactly what was different about the cue you purchased and exactly why the letter you asked for "describing" the cue involved much more than a "simple" description. If you are going to tell the story - how about telling the whole story. I offered to write a full and detailed history of the cue describing in detail the materials, the design and circumstances under which it was created, for whom, why, and subsequently how it ended up being sold. All of which would and does add significantly to the value. Such a description of the cue would have involved more than a simple half page written text and I indicated that to you at the time. The amount I asked for was very specific to THIS cue and with good reason. This was not a simple 4 point 4 veneer cue with a bunch of inlays.http://azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/images/smilies/wink.gif
;)
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Enough wine could be made from the sour grapes in this thread to make us all warm and fuzzy. $300 for a letter--that's more than my lawyer gets. :rolleyes:
 
IMO these posts haven't ruined Mr. Drexler's business at all. If I were in the market I would be more than happy to consider him as the guy to build my cue. Now, all I see from Mr. Drexler is pride in his work and a passion for his job. This thread wouldn't effect his business with me. I don't see any sour grapes just a comment from paul that was blown way out of proportion. I could be wrong. But then again it was JMHO.
 
shinobi said:
Why would you be annoyed?

-- Did the seller pay you enough to make building the cue worth your time and money? No? Then charge more. Yes? Then enjoy the $$!

-- Did the seller make way more selling it on the secondary market? No? Maybe he even lost money. Yes? Then your prices are too low.

-- Did you feel like there were many other "more worthy" customers in line who would enjoy your work better? Then raise your prices until you find the right balance between your free time and satisfaction, and your customers who want it the most.
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Art is art & materialism is materialism. Obviously
you and I see things differently.
 
Mystick Cue Fan said:
IMO these posts haven't ruined Mr. Drexler's business at all. If I were in the market I would be more than happy to consider him as the guy to build my cue. Now, all I see from Mr. Drexler is pride in his work and a passion for his job. This thread wouldn't effect his business with me. I don't see any sour grapes just a comment from paul that was blown way out of proportion. I could be wrong. But then again it was JMHO.
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I couldn't agree more, MCF, BUT, if I was PFD I would
be careful getting into a flame war with these guys.
Leonard Bludworth used to do that and you can't win.
 
hondo said:
I couldn't agree more, MCF, BUT, if I was PFD I would
be careful getting into a flame war with these guys.
Leonard Bludworth used to do that and you can't win.
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yeah.. n who could forget those classic duels Thomas Wayne had way back in
RSB?

Bgrds
Raist
 
hondo said:
Art is art & materialism is materialism. Obviously
you and I see things differently.
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We don't necessarily see things differently. My main problem with these sorts of complaints is that they are so subjective. Where does each maker draw the line? How long must their buyers hold onto the cue before they feel it is acceptable to sell it... A year, two years, five years... take it to the grave?

I can sympathize that some makers might get annoyed if they felt like they did someone a favour and it went unappreciated. But that's not something specific to cuemaking or art -- that can happen in all walks of life.
 
ohhh that's right--- you were trying to sell or trade something :-)

i've follwed this post but never chimed so here's my .02

i've been 2 Drexler's only twice <end of last year>-he did some work on other brands of cues for me- but will defintely return-<holidays are too busy for me and i've been injured for past few weeks-guess that's why i'm posting more and more-i'm damn bored>... he didn't know me from adam and a friend from my billiard hall brought me there with him once and i went on my own once and talked to him on the phone couple times... he made me feel right at home <shop is in his home> and engaged in hours of conversation while he was working and he even stopped taking time out of his busy day before i left just to sit and chat about woods and cue stuff and some ideas i have for -'the perfect hitting cue' which some day he will make for me... one story i recall is how he was burned by a junior player selling a cue for a profit that he cut him a break on because of him being a junior and upcoming player and all... why not support the kids--we all should-that's commendable....well guess that player then wanted him to make the same cue again for the same price-after he was cut a break being a junior and then sold it for profit..and the kid was mad Paul wouldn't give him the same deal... so i can see where Paul's coming from and maybe I'm out of line but this thing was blown well out of proportion.. i also think he'll take a cue back for an 'upgrade' and put the same price you paid towards your new cue <correct me if i'm wrong Paul> He shows alot of pride in his work and really enjoys it... i know he's traveled around the world looking for wood for cues-he told me about a story of going to Hawaii and hiking through the woods for some downed Koa trees -as you can only harvest wood that has fallen-- he's an all around good guy to do business with imho and i'll continue to do business with him whether it's working on my cues or ending up getting that ground up designed custom playing cue i always want to do... so Paul-keep up the good work on your cues <and others in my case> and thanks for the hospitality when i've been to your home. when i'm able to get around-i still want that shaft made we talked about :-) so i'll call ya and Butch says hi-we still play on the weekends...and he still beats me :-(
Jon Murphy
 
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