phillippi or black?

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johnrp2005

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im considering 2 cues on the net a black and a phillippi. which one of the 2
plays the best? does anyone wish to share any good or bad experiences with these cuemakers is welcome. thanks!
 
It's not a question of which is best. Rather, which is best for you and your stroke. I can't do &#$( with a Richard Black cue. But with a custom Phillippi, my game took off and so far I've won a couple of small tournaments. Immediately the Phillippi enabled me to run more balls and the stick gave me better cue ball control.
 
johnrp2005 said:
im considering 2 cues on the net a black and a phillippi. which one of the 2
plays the best? does anyone wish to share any good or bad experiences with these cuemakers is welcome. thanks!
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If you are buying a premade cue over the internet thats already built, any dealings with either cuemaker is mostly moot. I don't make it a point to play with either, but of the ones I have handled they are comperable in many aspects. Both have very good fit and finish, Black is known for more original designs, and is truely considered a master. Phillippi cues are very nice also, just many people don't put them in Blacks class.
The second hand market favors the Black in resale value, but favors the Phillippi in buying value (more bang for the buck). You should really try a cue if thats possible. Hopkins show if you are close to philly, the derby city going on now in louisville, are good places.

Joe
 
ok thanks for the info. So what i read from you is black is more a master
do you mean in both aspects art+playability?
because you also mentioned phillippi is more bang for the buck.
i take it that phillippi may not be as gifted in art work like black but ive heard more people say phillippi hits better. i was in derby city last week.
i saw a bunch of cues i held a phillippi and a black both feels very solid and
looks great the dealer wasnt going to let me hit any balls though.
so i hope alot of people that has had real experience that has had the chance to play with both makers cues to give good advice. i did have a guy tell me both makers cues some hit good and some dont is that right?
but he went on to say he felt black is a much better smithsonian cuebuilder
than phillippi but his cues do on average favor a better hit. because some times black gets caught up on the art too much?

im suprised there has been 96 people viewed this post but only 2 people had any help or knowledge. like i sad the good bad or ugly is welcome!!
 
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Hey man, you better hit with both. Otherwise walk away. I've hit with both and prefer Phillippi.

I teach high school science. Forget the art. What the **** do you want? Art or the ultimate in delicacy in controlling the ball witch wins a tournament. Get a Phillippi. Delicacy prevails, witch.
 
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no i dont want art but both do have nice art though. it just seems to alot of people that black sweats and worries about his art too much!!! like oh my god this cue isnt going to make the front cover of american cueist or the gallery! or my big dollar japanese buyers wouldnt want to put it in their glass cases! man the reason is clear why black and pfd, schick and others do this is it pays way more but i have much respect for the cuemakers who didnt go down that road for the money but really are concerned about not only looks but playability too.!!!

and thanks koko you have been very kuku for koko puffs with me and i appreciate it pal!!
 
johnrp2005 said:
to make the front cover of american cueist or the gallery! !!
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I'm glad you went back and read some of my posts. I love my Richard Black. It plays exceptionally well.

The cue on the cover of American Cueist (which hasn't been published in years) was a Wes Hunter, which also plays well. Different from the Black but it plays great.

Everyone has their own opion on hit. Posting the question a message board will not get you any closer to an answer than what you were to start with. Go with what you feel best about, be damned resell value. You should get what feels best TO YOU. Whether it's the Black or Phillippi, I could care less. It's your cue and should suit YOU, not me.

FWIW,

Jim
 
I replied to you on the other board, but here's something to further sway you away from RB:

There's a running conversation in my ph about the megamillions jackpot and what we'd do if we win it. I said that I would buy several cuemakers, just BUY them and build them a nice house/shop on my $30 mil estate and they can crank out cues just for me (mwahahaha), and my friend said "I would give Richard Black 10 million bucks just to stop making cues." Brutal, right? But that's what we think about his cues after playing and looking at a few of them. How he got his reputation as a cue-building master is a mystery to us all...

-Roger
 
johnrp2005 said:
ok thanks for the info. So what i read from you is black is more a master
do you mean in both aspects art+playability?
because you also mentioned phillippi is more bang for the buck.
i take it that phillippi may not be as gifted in art work like black but ive heard more people say phillippi hits better. i was in derby city last week.
i saw a bunch of cues i held a phillippi and a black both feels very solid and
looks great the dealer wasnt going to let me hit any balls though.
so i hope alot of people that has had real experience that has had the chance to play with both makers cues to give good advice. i did have a guy tell me both makers cues some hit good and some dont is that right?
but he went on to say he felt black is a much better smithsonian cuebuilder
than phillippi but his cues do on average favor a better hit. because some times black gets caught up on the art too much?

im suprised there has been 96 people viewed this post but only 2 people had any help or knowledge. like i sad the good bad or ugly is welcome!!
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I can't comment on playability. I can play with any cue :) But there is a cue for everyone. koko likes his phillippi but that doesn't mean its the cue for you. maybe the Black is. Maybe a Mottey, a Skip, a South West. who knows. But when we do shows we do allow people to hit a ball or two if they are serious buyers. But playability is subjective and purely a judgement call. I find my best cueball control is with my Szamboti, but some people don't like them. I just played with a Tascarella for a few days and thought it was very solid and didn't take long to get used to.

Joe
 
I don't know if you read Buddha 162's reply but I was a part of that conversation he had with the guys in his poolhall. For my money, I would avoid Black. I've never touched one that I liked. They may look good, but for the most part, if its a four or six point cue your after, go with Tim Scruggs. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone who didn't like the play of a Scruggs. If you're after something more fancy, try Mottey. He's a genious. As far as Phillippi goes, I like 'em.
But the bottom line is this: if a dealer isn't going to let you hit with one, walk away. Spend your money elsewhere. And never buy a cue without hitting with a few first. Not just one.
 
Scruggs is a great suggestion, like Pharaoh I've never hit with one that didn't feel solid and true. His newer flat-faced cues hit awesome.

Welcome aboard another major cue-nut, you'll fit right in on this forum...

-Roger
 
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