Pinoy Stable Strife

you'll be surprised..

Hail Mary Shot said:
holycrap, I think I know one of those virtual unknown youngsters in the background. I think it was in farmers some years ago. man, I guess that a simple hobby could turn up to be a profession. wonder if he was able to finish his highschool, since his classroom is the poolhall.

He's probably working on his Master's Degree now..;)
 
run out radio

there was also some mention of orginized pool in the Phillipines on "run out radio" which is found on the main AZB page..
 
2/3 of those stone killers look like kids. they would soooo get played in the USA just from their looks. Hell, have them learn spanish and they could make off like they are mexican or something. $1000 sets= 40,000 pesos. It must be brutal tough to get the visa to get over here, bc im shocked guys like that Jharome Pena havent come over here and stuck it to the local heroes all over the usa.
 
Black-Balled said:
Edwin! Thanks for your input. I congratulate Perry for his awareness of the truth, as well as his ability to produce it! I didn't mean to infer that his 'let on' was negative in any way. When these types of matters arise, a little math goes a long way!!
No Problem BB. Clarification was essential because some readers may understand it the way I did. I apologize for the misinterpretation.
 
Renegade said:
Thanks for all the info, Bandido. It's better to hear about these things first hand from someone with real knowledge on the matter.

When this all came out, I was worried what this would do for the state of pool in the Philippines which seemed to finally be on the verge of an upswing. Yen Makabenta has been quite successful bringing the sport to mainstream attention with the recent staging of the WPC in the Philippines. However, what was done to Alex Pagulayan is clearly despicable, although we still don't know the real reasons behind it.
I applaud Yen for the guts that he displayed in bringing the WPC here. There were some serious error in judgement on his part where I pity him for the results he got. Transparency from the get go, specially with friends, could've bailed him out because when it's too late...it's too late! That Matchroom Event is always a good show.

I have tried to pacify people and pleaded for them to reserve judgement until Alex and BSCP agrees to sit down and come up with a win-win answer. I failed to get them together but I did try real hard. To this date, they still haven't resolved their tiff.

Renegade said:
I just hope all the powerplay (if that is indeed what is behind all this) would soon end with each group treating the other with mutual respect and working together to bring the sport to further heights.

Again, congratulations on the formation of the BMPAP! It's about time something like this was created to avoid all the troubles of the past.

PS: Is it true that Renemar David really crossed fences to the other side? How was that like for you personally? What would have his reason for doing so? Also Marlon Manalo's and Gaga Gabica's? Thanks in advance....

There is no powerplay! We, the BMPAP, took matters in our hand so we don't have to rely on the BSCP and their timeline to address our concerns. We have always stated that we don't want to oust them nor replace the BSCP as the recognized cuesports NSA. NSA (National Sports Association) because they are a branch of the POC(Philippine Olympic Commission) and as such is categorized as an amateur organization. The professional sports here in the Philippines are all regulated by the GAB (Games and Amusements Board) which is under the Executive Branch (Office of the President) of government. That is where BMPAP fall under. You wouldn't think that the ABAP(Amateur Boxing Association of the Philippines), which is also a NSA under POC, can interfere with Manny Pacquiao's affairs, would you?

Marlon Manalo has always been with the BSCP and I admire his loyalty. Gabica and David? Well, it's looking like, judging from recent chitchat with them, they didn't really understand what was going on and went by their instincts (looked after #1 even though they were informed of current situation). De Luna is MIA (sitting on the fence) and I do deem this as acceptable for those who can not fully understand what's going on YET.

Can NOT understand? People here in the Philippines have gotten used to just having one association which is the BSCP. Some people understood the organizational structure of Philippine Sports and did try to form Pro Associations but they were mainly composed of pool players that lack mainstream business sense, the time to run such an organization and financial-backing that soon they all just fell apart.

Thank you Renegade. I agree, we've waited long enough. This, forming the organization, wasn't planned though. Fate just brought us together and we thought and moved as one.

Edwin Reyes<<<BMPAP Co-Founder and Spokesperson
 
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Roy Steffensen said:
Is it true that Gabica and De Luna has cancelled their contracts with Bugsy Promotions now???
Untrue because there is nothing to cancel. No contract was renewed when all the previous ones expired a while back. Their benefits (and some)continued though. Perry is more into voluntary fulfillment of a Gentleman's Agreement.
 
uwate said:
2/3 of those stone killers look like kids. they would soooo get played in the USA just from their looks. Hell, have them learn spanish and they could make off like they are mexican or something. $1000 sets= 40,000 pesos. It must be brutal tough to get the visa to get over here, bc im shocked guys like that Jharome Pena havent come over here and stuck it to the local heroes all over the usa.

Did you know that a few years back one member here contacted me to recommend a player to sponsor there in the US? I worked with him on this endeavor then we eventually reached the point where the details are supposed to be handled by him, AzB member, and the player. Somehow that didn't materialize. The player I recommended? Dennis Orcullo before Bugsy's.
 
All I can say is, it's about time! Rolly Vicente, Efren's manager has been
brooding about this since the mid or early 80s, and it never materialized until
now. They (no need to name names) wanted to escape de Tagle's clutches
but couldn't gather enough support from the players because they are all
looking out for number 1, themselves. They all live on day-to-day basis and
couldn't care less what happens next. It's never too late and good thing they
awoke from their stupor.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee (kapeng barako) guys!
 
I have a question, I understand the 40/60 cut and the managers seeming to lose expense money on paper, but what about GAMBLING? I'm sure the managers own that part too right?! I've heard the Philipinos make a wager now and then ;) My guess is nobody loses money long term and likes it good samaritan of the sport or not, so maybe the gambling winnings that aren't published offset the legitimate expense loses? just a guess on my part looking at it from a business standpoint.....
 
Gerry said:
I have a question, I understand the 40/60 cut and the managers seeming to lose expense money on paper, but what about GAMBLING? I'm sure the managers own that part too right?! I've heard the Philipinos make a wager now and then ;) My guess is nobody loses money long term and likes it good samaritan of the sport or not, so maybe the gambling winnings that aren't published offset the legitimate expense loses? just a guess on my part looking at it from a business standpoint.....


There's no guarantee that the manager can offset his financial losses in
money games. It's just like our W2-G, were we list all our wins and losses,
and usually at the end of the year, we're even.

Based from my experience when I was still back in PI, the player's manager
usually takes all the action and he splits the loot with his horse if they
happen to win, or a 60/40 split with the manager taking the bigger slice of
the pie.
 
gopi-1 said:
I haven't been there in awhile, but I posted my take on the matter there Bandido...
I saw that and here's my answer to your suggestion. Press releases are monologues that don't care about the listeners for what it hopes for are brain-washed allies. I prefer to interact because its through interaction that I learn.:)

In due time I will but mainly to inform and not try to divide nor drum up support.
 
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The filipino's are struggling to find a solution which every major sport
in the U.S allready has in place. Example; Golf; USGA, controls rules
and regulations.. PGA, Controls player and tournament participation
and elgibility (Q-school, etc,) PGAPA, The Players Ass'n is like a union
in that it speaks for the players in disputes or grievences with either
of the other two bodies (USGA or PGA) All sports in this country have
this (or something very similar) in place and functioning quite well.
Pool, for some reason has never been able to achieve any remote
semblance of this needed structure. We have only the BCA which
have done absolutely nothing to promote or organize our sport in
all it's years of existence. ( unless of course you count holding a
few meaningless 14.1 tournaments With a laughable prize fund
any form of improvement) Its actually a sad commentary on the
(Pro pool players) lack of unity or determination. This is not meant
to belittle those who have tried and given up hope.
 
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SJDinPHX said:
The filipino's are struggling to find a solution which every major sport
in the U.S allready has in place. Example; Golf; USGA, controls rules
and regulations.. PGA, Controls player and tournament participation
and elgibility (Q-school, etc,) PGAPA, The Players Ass'n is like a union
in that it speaks for the players in disputes or grievences with either
of the other two bodies (USGA or PGA) All sports in this country have
this (or something very similar) in place and functioning quite well.
Pool, for some reason has never been able to achieve any remote
semblance of this needed structure. We have only the BCA which
have done absolutely nothing to promote or organize our sport in
all it's years of existence. ( unless of course you count holding a
few meaningless 14.1 tournaments With a laughable prize fund
any form of improvement) Its actually a sad commentary on the
(Pro pool players) lack of unity or determination. This is not meant
to belittle those who have tried and given up hope.



They already have what you think they don't have, the only difference is, the Filipino players have the managers on their side in this new association, who's willing to put them on a monthly payroll, pay their travel expenses like their hotel stay all throughout the tournament duration if they happen to be still in the hunt, airfares, tournament fees and even some of the lucky ones have someone paying for their home mortgage or car loans. Actually, these things have been going on for years and years in the Philippines, they just want it to be official this time. The managers are doing this for the love of the game, taking 40% off the tournament winnings is nothing compared to all the expenses they incurred.

This set-up is a lot different than the American set-up, were most of them has to beg, steal or borrow just to get into a tournament...
 
Welcome Friends! I proudly introduce to you the Billiard Managers and Professional Poolplayers Association of the Philippines! The first and only Professional pool and cuesports organization that will be working hand-in-hand with the Games and Amusements Board of the Office of the President of the Republic of the Philippines in the implementation of Presidential Decree 871 governing professional cue sports.

OFFICERS
Chairman : Isaac Belmonte
President: Atty. Victor Rodriguez
Vice- President: Efren Reyes
Treasurer: Jonathan Sanchez
Secretary: Gandy Valle-Sapsal
Sgt-at-Arms: Mikee Ablan
Legal Advisor: Atty. Michael Gonzales
Spokesperson: Edwin Reyes

BOARD OF DIRECTORS

Roberto "Bobby" Aguirre ............ Ronato Alcano
Martin Misa ........................... Francisco Bustamante
Vicente Castaneda .................. Lee Van Corteza
Lindsey Santos David .............. Demi Dizon
Anthony Go ............................ Warren Kiamco
Pablo Hernandez ..................... John Lagman
Menlee Miguellano .................. Ollie Ongtauco
Alex Pagulayan ....................... Diosdado Santiago
Joseph Arruejo-Santos ............. Milton Tan
Ramon Tuason

FOUNDERS
Aristeo "Putch" Puyat
Ceferino "Perry" Mariano
Jonathan Sy
Verna Mariano
Edwin Reyes
 
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Presidential Decree 871

Republic of the Philippines Presidential Decree 871

PRESIDENTIAL DECREE NO. 871






PRESIDENTIAL DECREE NO. 871 - PLACING PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL GAMES AND OTHER PROFESSIONAL GAMES UNDER THE SUPERVISION AND REGULATION OF THE GAMES AND AMUSEMENTS BOARD






WHEREAS, the development, promotion and maintenance of desirable moral, social and cultural values is one of the objectives of the New Society;

WHEREAS, professional basketball has remained the most popular spectator sports in our country;

WHEREAS, there have been changes of game-fixing or point shaving and "play for play" in local basketball circles;

WHEREAS, the necessity of distinguishing clearly the status of amateurism as opposed to professionalism has given birth to the Philippine Basketball Association which seeks to establish and maintain a professional basketball league;

WHEREAS, there is urgent need for governmental supervision and regulation on the operation and conduct of professional basketball games and other professional games as well as the participants therein to insure integrity and provide ample protection to all concerned at all times;

NOW, THEREFORE, I, FERDINAND E. MARCOS, President of the Philippines, by virtue of the powers vested in me by the Constitution, do hereby order and decree:

Section 1. Supervision and regulation. ? The supervision and regulation of professional basketball games and other professional games in the Philippines shall be vested in the Games and Amusements Board.

Section 2. Powers and duties of the Board. ? The Board shall, subject to the approval of the Executive Secretary, have the power:

a) To prescribe additional rules and regulations not inconsistent herewith to govern the operation and conduct of professional basketball games and other professional games existing or which may hereafter be authorized by law, decree, executive order or other issuances;
b) To enforce the laws, decrees, executive orders, rules and regulations, relating to professional basketball games and other professional games;

c) To approve or disapprove the rules and regulations issued by persons, entities or associations relative to the operation and conduct of professional basketball games or other professional games;

d) To exercise supervision over all officials, employees and persons connected with professional basketball games and other professional games;

e) To issue licenses or permits to conduct professional basketball games or other professional games and collect fees for the issuance thereof;

f) To suspend or revoke any such license or permit for failure to comply with and/or for violation of the provision of this decree, or any law, executive order, rule or regulation promulgated hereunder;

g) To order the temporary suspension of any license or permit issued pursuant to this decree or the rules and regulations promulgated hereunder, whenever such action is necessary for the best interest of the professional games under the supervision of the Board;

h) To appoint personnel as it shall deem necessary in the exercise and performance of its powers and duties and fix their salaries or compensation, and/or to employ the services by contract or otherwise, consultant or any local or foreign expert or technical personnel to provide technical and necessary assistance, conduct seminars and training relative to professional basketball games and other professional games and pay reasonable emoluments for their services;

i) To order the suspension of any game in case of violation or non-compliance with the provisions of this decree or the rules and regulations promulgated hereunder;

j) To consider, investigate, decide and settle all questions, matters, controversies or disputes arising out of or connected with professional games or other professional games under its supervision in accordance with the rules and procedures it may adopt;

k) To designate any of its officers to conduct hearing or investigation of any case pending before it;

l) To summon parties, issue subpoena or require the production of such books, papers, contracts, records or other documents as may be necessary for the just determination and adjudication of any matter under investigation;

m) To inspect the books, records and accounts of any person, entity or association conducting or authorized to conduct professional basketball games or other professional games and require that the books and financial or other statement of such person, entity or association shall be kept in such manner as it may prescribe; and

n) To perform such other duties and exercise all other powers incidental or necessary for the attainment of the purposes of the Board and proper enforcement of the provision of this decree.

Section 3. Permit. ? It shall be unlawful for any person, entity or association to conduct professional basketball games or other professional games without permit duly issued by the Board. Every permit issued shall specify the person, entity or association to which it was issued, the place where and the date when the games are to be held.

Section 4. License. ? No person, entity or association may employ any player, referee, scorer, timekeeper or other persons performing duties connected with professional basketball games or other professional games, unless such person has been duly licensed by the Board. Such license shall be obtained from the Board yearly and shall, however, be subject to withdrawal or revocation in any case where the Board shall have reason to believe that any of the aforesaid persons is guilty of any dishonest or fraudulent practice, or has violated any law, decree, executive order, rule or regulation on professional basketball games or other professional games, or for any just cause.

Section 5. Assignment of officials. ? At each professional basketball games or other professional game, the Board shall assign among the duly licensed officials, referees, timekeepers, or scorers and other officials to officiate thereat and only the officials so designated shall have authority to perform their respective functions.

Section 6. Duty of person, entity or association conducting professional games. ? It shall be the duty of the person, entity or association conducting professional basketball games, or other professional games, to see that peace and order is maintained in the premises of the place where the games are being conducted and that the rules and regulations governing the same are properly observed.

Section 7. License fee. ? The following license fee shall be paid:

a) For professional basketball teams, P100.00 each annually;

b) For coaches P50.00 each annually;

c) For players P50.00 each annually;

d) For players P50.00 each annually;

e) For referees P50.00 each annually;

f) For timekeepers, scorers and such other persons who in the judgment of the Board should be licensed, P20.00 each annually.

The above license fees shall accrue to the funds of the Board.

Section 8. Admission receipts and other income. ? The Board shall, through its duly authorized representatives, supervise the sale of admission tickets for any professional basketball games or other forms of professional games. All tickets, except complimentary tickets, shall state the price, name of person, entity or association conducting the professional basketball games or other professional games, team names and the date of the games printed plainly thereon. No ticket shall be sold for more than the price as printed thereon and any change in ticket prices or the date of the games shall be subject to the approval of the Board.

Any person, entity or association conducting professional basketball games or other professional games shall set aside and remit to the Board three per cent (3%) of the gross gate receipts and income from television, radio and motion picture rights if any, which shall be available to defray the expenses of the personnel of the Board assigned to supervise the games and for such other expenses in other activities of the Board. Provided, however, That all professional basketball games conducted by the Philippine Basketball Association shall only be subject to amusement tax of five per cent of the gross receipts from the sale of admission tickets.

Section 9. Civil Service Law and WAPCO coverage. ? Appointments to positions with duties and functions pertaining to the supervision and regulation of professional basketball games and other professional games shall be subject to the provisions of the Civil Service Laws and rules, but shall however be exempted from the coverage of Wage and Position Classification Office.

Section 10. Appeals, orders, rulings and decisions of the Board. ? Orders, rulings and decisions of the Board on matters connected with or arising out of basketball may be appealed to the Office of the President, whose decision shall be final, within seventy-two (72) hours from receipts of the order, ruling or decision appealed from.

Section 11. Forfeiture of sums paid to the Board. ? All sums paid to the Board in payment of license or permit fees required under the provisions of this decree or the rules and regulations promulgated hereunder shall be deemed forfeited upon the cancellation or revocation of such license or permit.

Section 12. Separability clause. ? If any provision or part of this decree is declared unconstitutional, such declaration shall not invalidate the other provisions hereof.

Section 13. Repealing clause. ? Any law, decree, executive order of administrative order or regulations inconsistent herewith are hereby repealed or modified accordingly.

Section 14. Effectivity. ? This decree shall take effect immediately.

Done in the City of Manila, this 6th day of January, in the year of Our Lord, nineteen hundred and seventy-six.
 
GAB recognizes BMPAP as billiards pro body

Thursday, February 7, 2008
The Games and Amusements Board (GAB) has recognized the newly formed Billiards Managers and Players Association of the Philippines (BMPAP) paving the way for the government?s direct supervision over the popular sport.

In accepting the BMPAP as the first professional billiards organization in the country, GAB chairman Eric Buhain hailed the development as a ?big step in keeping the Philippines? supremacy in the sport.?


?This is long overdue. So we are very happy that you, players and managers, came together to form this association,? Buhain told the BMPAP members who visited his office yesterday.

Among those present in the meeting were BMPAP incorporators Aristeo ?Putch? Puyat, Perry Mariano and Edwin Reyes. They were accompanied by players from the three biggest billiards stable in the country ? the Puyat Sports, Bugsy Promotions and the Negros Billiards Stable of Jonathan Sy.

?Billiards is really a professional sport because most of its tournaments have money involved. So it must be regulated by GAB,? explained Buhain.

He also said that GAB will issue a memorandum declaring that all professional billiards activities, including the invitation to play in tournaments abroad, must pass through the agency.

?Para maiwasan din natin ?yung mga illegal activities like sending of bogus players sa ibang bansa na eventually magti-TNT,? he said.

During their audience with Buhain, the players also presented a manifesto asking the GAB to exercise its mandate of supervising the affairs of the sport, its professional side in particular.

Among the signatories are former world champions Efren ?Bata? Reyes and Ronnie Alcano, former world no.1 Francisco ?Django? Bustamante, 2007 World Pool Championship (WPC) runner-up Roberto Gomez, 1998 Asian Games gold medalist Gandy Valle, reigning national champion Lee Van Corteza, and rising stars Joven Bustamante, Carlo Biado, Jharome Pena, Benjie Guevarra, Johann Chua, Troy Danao, Jech Limen, Jomar de Ocampo, Mike Takayama, Jundel Mazon and Patrick Gonzales.

?Itong hiling naming ay bugsok sa panggigipit at pamimilit na ginagawa sa amin ng mga opisyal ng Billiards and Snooker Congress of the Philippines na pilit kaming pinapasali sa kanilang mga personal at pinagkakakitaang mga palaro at ang aming di pagsali at pagtanggi ay tinatapatan nila ng pananakot na di kami pasasalihin sa mga international na palaro.?

They also condemned the ?harsh and malicious declaration? by BSCP chairman Yen Makabenta and president Ernesto Fajardo against former world champion Alex Pagulayan that he was guilty of misconduct and ?sharking?, which is a grave offense in pool.

The letter is also asking Makabenta to account for the funds his Raya Sports received from the government for the hosting of the WPC in 2006 and 2007.

?Ito po ay hinihiling namin sapagkat halos wala pong pinansyal na tulong ang dumating sa aming mga manlalaro ng bilyar. Iniingatan po naming na kami ay magamit na dahilan sa paghingi ng milyun-milyong pera sa gobyerno sa ngalan ng bilyar.?

http://www.philstar.com/archives.php?aid=20080206150&type=2
 
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