Placebo Effect on Pool

hang-the-9

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You know the placebo thing, it's a drug that is fake, given to someone as real, that the patient reponds to as real becasue they think it is.

Have you done or seen something that should really have had no effect on your game but did?

To start off, the Joss stick that Webb cleaned up for me. I did not learn any new shots or get better at making balls from a week before, yet soon as I got the Joss into my hands looking so shiny with the shaft slick as a couple of mud wrestlers, I tell you I did not rattle or miss a single 9-ball I had a shot at and was running out if my opponent missed and left me an open shot. Normally I would miss quite a few 9s, or play poor shape, not the case last week. In the finals I was down 3-1, me heading to 5, him to 4. I won 4 in a row. To me it seems just the fact of the stick being so nice refreshed my brain into resetting itself into the zone.
 
The majority of "quick fixes" like that will bring on short-term improvement, 9. The first time I put a soft tip on my Drexler cue, I ran 99 with it; my previous long run with that cue was 60. The first time I tried playing by sound - a little-known tip, but it's great for eliminating mind chatter - I had similar results. The hard part is keeping those improvements permanent. Good luck with your game. GF
 
George Fels said:
The majority of "quick fixes" like that will bring on short-term improvement, 9. The first time I put a soft tip on my Drexler cue, I ran 99 with it; my previous long run with that cue was 60. The first time I tried playing by sound - a little-known tip, but it's great for eliminating mind chatter - I had similar results. The hard part is keeping those improvements permanent. Good luck with your game. GF

Thanks for the reply Mr. Fels! I was not looking for a quick fix really or think that this will improve my game forever, just interesting how the mind works. Pool at a higher level is just as much about focus and thinking as it is about moving your arm straight and aiming. It seems when something like a new cue or a very nice day at work, or a nice day outside, lifts your mood, your mind is clearer and sharper, which seemed to cause a very nice improvement in my game compared to the last 3 weeks I played. And I am sure as heck going to try to keep that magic bottled up with me, soon as the wife is back home, I'm heading to the pool hall for 10 hrs of break and runs :D
 
hang-the-9 said:
You know the placebo thing, it's a drug that is fake, given to someone as real, that the patient reponds to as real becasue they think it is.

Have you done or seen something that should really have had no effect on your game but did?

To start off, the Joss stick that Webb cleaned up for me. I did not learn any new shots or get better at making balls from a week before, yet soon as I got the Joss into my hands looking so shiny with the shaft slick as a couple of mud wrestlers, I tell you I did not rattle or miss a single 9-ball I had a shot at and was running out if my opponent missed and left me an open shot. Normally I would miss quite a few 9s, or play poor shape, not the case last week. In the finals I was down 3-1, me heading to 5, him to 4. I won 4 in a row. To me it seems just the fact of the stick being so nice refreshed my brain into resetting itself into the zone.

I think the fact that you knew something had changed no longer makes it a placebo, but im glad the change worked.
 
My custome case won me many games! But nothing has improved my game more than all my league buttons and patches I put on it ;)
 
George Fels said:
The first time I tried playing by sound - a little-known tip, but it's great for eliminating mind chatter - I had similar results. GF

George, i'm glad you brought that up, "Playing by Sound", your the only player i've ever heard speak of this in all my years of playing pool besides "Erman Bullard" from DFW area.

He said that you can tell when your coming into Stroke by the Sound of your shots,...... being: "the sound of a well stroked, pure shot, sounds different from that of one being off hit!"

Sound of the shot also makes for determining a good hit versus a bad hit, for you can sometimes be fooled by your eyes!


David Harcrow
 
George Fels said:
The majority of "quick fixes" like that will bring on short-term improvement, 9. The first time I put a soft tip on my Drexler cue, I ran 99 with it; my previous long run with that cue was 60. The first time I tried playing by sound - a little-known tip, but it's great for eliminating mind chatter - I had similar results. The hard part is keeping those improvements permanent. Good luck with your game. GF

George hit the nail on the head here. Eliminating the self talk in our heads is the key to our best game. (George has other tricks he mentions in his books you can use as well.)

As he states they are "quick fixes" the mind soon grows accustomed to the change presented and we go back to the same game as before.

My story is of a guy that liked to gamble all the time and he would play cheap as well. I walk in and he asks me to play some $5 a game eightball. I told him I had no stick and he says, "Use mine."

His stick was totally different. A 11 mm shaft at 16 oz. sporting no recognizable name of sticks made today. It looked cheap but very serviceable. I played like a Pool God grabbed me by the ankle and dipped me in the River Styx. I couldn't die in any inning. All aspects of my game had Glory written on them.

The next day I played with my stick. :rolleyes: He got his money back!:p

If anyone finds a way to make the quick fix permanent let me know. :D
 
hang-the-9 said:
You know the placebo thing, it's a drug that is fake, given to someone as real, that the patient reponds to as real becasue they think it is.

Have you done or seen something that should really have had no effect on your game but did?

To start off, the Joss stick that Webb cleaned up for me. I did not learn any new shots or get better at making balls from a week before, yet soon as I got the Joss into my hands looking so shiny with the shaft slick as a couple of mud wrestlers, I tell you I did not rattle or miss a single 9-ball I had a shot at and was running out if my opponent missed and left me an open shot. Normally I would miss quite a few 9s, or play poor shape, not the case last week. In the finals I was down 3-1, me heading to 5, him to 4. I won 4 in a row. To me it seems just the fact of the stick being so nice refreshed my brain into resetting itself into the zone.


Yes their seems tobe a lot of quick fixes for better pool playing , a few of mine are a newly coverd table, that always made for an improvement of my game, and maybe a new rack of shiney balls would do the trick for awhile!


David Harcrow
 
You either have it

Or you don't.

In my opinion, nothing drives better performance than confidence. NOTHING.

Confidence comes from many things; and yes...it can come from nice new shiny balls, New Felt, New Cue, New tip etc. Is it temporary? Maybe, and maybe not. One thing is for certain...it doesn't have to be.

Anything that makes you feel positive will breed confidence. The key is figuring out a way to hang on to that confidence and ride it until the lights go out forever.

Let's face it...if you can shoot lights out at any given time...you have what it takes and all you are missing is the long term confidence to keep playing at that level.

I say this because I know a lot of players who, no matter what you put in their hands, no matter what you teach them or what you change for them, play just as bad as they did before the change. That's because they lack the ability to play well.

Some folks just don't have the eye hand coordination to be great pool players.
 
If anyone finds a way to make the quick fix permanent let me know.

Practice. I don't mean practicing the usual things like stance, stroke, aiming, shots, shape, etc. I mean practicing getting and staying focused. A lot has been said and written about it, and I don't have any new tricks to add, just that like anything else (maybe more than anything else) it has to be practiced.

pj
chgo
 
One way that I have seen and experienced the placebo effect in pool is when getting weight. I've seen many players whose game takes a jump as soon as the handicap is adjusted to favor them.
 
longhair said:
One way that I have seen and experienced the placebo effect in pool is when getting weight. I've seen many players whose game takes a jump as soon as the handicap is adjusted to favor them.

Same thing seems to happen when the bet is doubled. Go figure.

pj
chgo
 
ugotda8 said:
Or you don't.

In my opinion, nothing drives better performance than confidence. NOTHING.

Confidence comes from many things; and yes...it can come from nice new shiny balls, New Felt, New Cue, New tip etc. Is it temporary? Maybe, and maybe not. One thing is for certain...it doesn't have to be.

Anything that makes you feel positive will breed confidence. The key is figuring out a way to hang on to that confidence and ride it until the lights go out forever.

Let's face it...if you can shoot lights out at any given time...you have what it takes and all you are missing is the long term confidence to keep playing at that level.

I say this because I know a lot of players who, no matter what you put in their hands, no matter what you teach them or what you change for them, play just as bad as they did before the change. That's because they lack the ability to play well.

Some folks just don't have the eye hand coordination to be great pool players.

True. Confidence is simply trust in your game. The decision making, the shot making... the whole thing. If we know our chances for a positive outcome on a shot are slim, the resultant miss is not viewed as negative. Thus no loss in confidence. That is correct way of managing your confidence. Is managing your confidence related to placebo effect? Not really, but new found confidence could be a result of the placebo effect.

Now a new tip on a stick which the hit feels foreign to you initially has no bearing on confidence. It has everything to do with the degree of concentration you put into the present shot. So much concentration that self talk has no room in the shot process.

So anything you add that the mind deems as foreign must be analyzed. That anything can become a candidate for a placebo effect tool. I wouldn't recommend becoming dependent on them because they are too short lived. But lets say you usually warm up a half hour before a match, but not this time. Those placebo tools have a way of grabbing your attention and getting you up to speed sooner.

On the other hand you must be aware of overload. The mind has only a certain given bandwidth, or limit in everything it can process. Everything the mind believes is important fills up that bandwidth. This is our concentration...every program we are currently running in our mind is concentration. When the concentration of a shot is working optimally everything in the mind is in order with only essential thoughts (programs) running.

So if the mind has too many important issues to deal with and it is near, or at overload; adding a placebo will not work at all. In fact it can have opposite effect. Thinking of the IRS audit, the argument with the wife, your opponents ethnic slur to shark you, and the new tip just will not work. If all these thoughts are present its gonna be a bad night.

How can we set thoughts aside? It's not easy and we all have different mental mechanisms to do this.

A buddy of mine had to cancel shooting with us at the State Tournament with the death of his daughter at birth. The sub we had lined up swore to play then never showed. My buddy came to play and we felt bad asking. With everything on his mind we didn't expect much, we just thanked him for the chance to play. He ended up playing better than all of us; a runout machine.

His answer why was and I paraphrase here, "Emotionally I was spent, all my cares and concerns in the world were gone. I was numb and I didn't want to nor could I bring myself easily to think of my daughter. I just wanted to do something I enjoyed and get lost in it." He essentially shot without a care... without distraction. We have the mental mechanisms to do it. This is an extreme case of course but being honest with yourself is the first step. Because we are all smart enough to see snake oil when we see it.

We will believe the truth and isn't that the basis of confidence any way?

P.S. Good post ugotda8 on confidence!
 
What if we had a player that was of equal talent to ours in pool and it were legal to conference with them prior to each shot. Although we would be of equal talent, perhaps their way of looking at a situation would be different than ours, and at times even offer better options to us. Do you agree that the extra input could be beneficial to our shot and our game?

We do have this luxury, and it is legal. That person in fact is us. In my opinion, attempting to eliminate self talk is nearly impossible, and the effort needed to try is at the very least distracting and a concentration breaker.

On the other hand if you change your view of it, and accept it as helpful advice from a good friend who only wants the best for you, then you can turn a negative into a positive.

Once you accept the input from your inner you, then you can expect it, and control it. You can get together with the inner you and reach a mutual agreement to have your inner you, offer his/her help to you prior to you getting down to shoot. In fact, you would end up waiting for your inner you to chime in prior to shooting. It would become a natural thing to do. Then, as a team you can both watch quietly as the shot you have both discussed is executed.

This is the method I use to make peace with my inner voice, and it works well for me. I thought I'd offer the concept as a way to think positively.
 
George Fels said:
The majority of "quick fixes" like that will bring on short-term improvement, 9. The first time I put a soft tip on my Drexler cue, I ran 99 with it; my previous long run with that cue was 60. The first time I tried playing by sound - a little-known tip, but it's great for eliminating mind chatter - I had similar results. The hard part is keeping those improvements permanent. Good luck with your game. GF



Could you possibly elaborate on "playing by sound".......Thanks
 
3andstop said:
What if we had a player that was of equal talent to ours in pool and it were legal to conference with them prior to each shot. Although we would be of equal talent, perhaps their way of looking at a situation would be different than ours, and at times even offer better options to us. Do you agree that the extra input could be beneficial to our shot and our game?

We do have this luxury, and it is legal. That person in fact is us. In my opinion, attempting to eliminate self talk is nearly impossible, and the effort needed to try is at the very least distracting and a concentration breaker.

On the other hand if you change your view of it, and accept it as helpful advice from a good friend who only wants the best for you, then you can turn a negative into a positive.

Once you accept the input from your inner you, then you can expect it, and control it. You can get together with the inner you and reach a mutual agreement to have your inner you, offer his/her help to you prior to you getting down to shoot. In fact, you would end up waiting for your inner you to chime in prior to shooting. It would become a natural thing to do. Then, as a team you can both watch quietly as the shot you have both discussed is executed.

This is the method I use to make peace with my inner voice, and it works well for me. I thought I'd offer the concept as a way to think positively.

Your analogy and description are a good ones. Your right, trying to stop self talk seems the impossible task but we do achieve it.

We see some sequences in pool so many times that the planning phase is never needed. The mind can make some decisions automatic. Self talk (the conscious mind) lays down the blueprint for success and the body (the subconscious mind) executes the plan. Thus a Ray Charles run out with stop shots galore is over in a flash without a word from the conscious.

The process goes something like this.

At the completion of every shot we survey the table. This usually is the cue for self talk to begin. For a beginner or intermediate player self talk is essential as many situations are unique and require thought to the proper execution. As you say and I agree this all should happen before you set to the table for the shot. Also it is the natural progression we go through as you have stated. You must have confidence (trust in ones decisions and ability) in the inner you. Working together they are a great team. But sometimes the best laid plans go awry.

Your right in that they must work together. Yet sometimes we need something to keep us grounded to the fact that the mental game doesn't move the balls. The physical game does. Playing "unconscious" or in "dead stroke" refers to subconscious play. To keep your game grounded you have to keep your mind engaged. By concentrating on the physical aspects of the game we are basically lending ourselves to the subconscious. A preshot routine is lending ourselves to the subconscious. At a smaller sampling so is a "placebo tool" that we stumble on now and then.

Pro players are in that state of mind more often than the rest of us. It can be attributed mostly to the fact that they have hit a million more balls and have seen millions of more layouts than we have. The self talk isn't needed only action of the subconscious. They can't explain how but their answer speaks volumes, "I just do it." A physical description.

Good post 3andstop. Many facets to the mental game, easier said than done!
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