Play nice or play to win?

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this already. By letting him win, you are giving him a false sense of how good he is. He may begin to think he is a world beater. This could get him in trouble if he takes on the wrong person.
You do him a better service by letting him see how the game can be played. While it might bruise his ego, it will also be a reality check. Maybe it will encourage him to actually work on improving his own game.
Church is a place where we go to learn lifes lessons. Some of the lessons can be a bit painful, but they are usually in our best interest, if we are willing to be open minded. I think you are actually doing him a dis-service by laying down and deceiving him into thinking he is better than he actually is.
Just my take on the situation.
Steve
 
Mud hole...stomp one in his arse.

Just one evening anyway...wear him out.

Before you start ask him who he thinks is the better player.Regardless of the answer take it to him.

Play him soft everytime after that though and coach him along.He'll be better for it.
 
First off your playing for fun to have fun, so you gota keep that in mind.If you have to give games away its not alot of fun for you.

Second you should always play YOUR best, dont drop down to his level of play ,make him come up to your level.

Maybe offer to help him improve his game, i doubt you can change his attitude, but you could give it a try also.

And last but not least always keep smiling..:)
 
In a church basement with casual players there is no need to hide. You simply inform them (if they do not know already) that this is your sport. If they would like a spot, you will select one for them based on your assessment of their ability. Let them take a few balls off the table and then explain why it is not the advantage it appears to be.

Now you can put on a show and introduce people to the game as it should be played. Let them see that even serious players miss or miss-calculate.

Rather than pound on someone, be an ambassador for our sport and teach him about the game by telling him what you are doing and why. He, and everyone in your church, will appreciate your kind, polite efforts as they learn about what is possible in this sport that we all find so fascinating. You might even make a few converts when they learn that not all players are hustlers or aggressive, must win at any cost insensitive jerks – even when there are other jerks in the room

We all know jerks when we see them so there is no need to be like him.

If you put on the gloves with a boxer who was going to show you a few things, you would not expect him to go full bore. If you were stupid enough to challenge the boxer who told you he was a pro, he would probably knock you down in a few moments and then ask the crowd if anyone wanted to learn more about boxing or if they wanted to challenge him.
 
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Sweet Marissa said:
I'll clarify: I want everyone to have fun also, and if I win every game, it's not fun for them. They know I play pool, and most know I have played for money and in tournaments.


Marissa you are a very kind person. But don't let off your game for him to have fun. Pool should be fun win or lose. It's the challenge thats fun. I myself don't mind getting pounded by a superior player. I learn more by watching them play and therefore it becomes fun to me. But if he is not a player and only plays at the church picnic and you want to let him win that is up to you. BUT you have come on this forum to talk about it so obviously it is bothering you a little. DRILL him. If thats not fun for him and you like him do something besides pool to have fun...or just sit out and let him play somebody else.

By the way its nice to chat with you again. I met you at the derby.
 
Neil said:
The guy obviously has some other issues going on. I would get him off to the side and have a little chat with him. About how he's lying, in church no less, being a braggart, etc.. But do it in love. If he doesn't get it, then just play all out on him.
I'm glad to read that someone else has this thought. Why not tell the guy (privately) that his behavior is foolish/uncool/whatever. If he doesn't get it, the beating you can give on the table will help him understand.

I don't agree with the folks here who say that you need to play to win every time you play. Pool, like any game or sport, can be social as well as competitive.
 
I would drill him an then go easy on other people. That'll really set him off and teach him a lesson in humility, if he is still trainable at age 20.
 
And since you're doing this in a church basement, don't forget to, after every game you drill this guy, to throw your arms up and yell "PRAISE JEEEE-SUS!".

:D
 
When you start to play tell them you are playing BCA rules. Call pocket and BIH. That will eliminate all that slop bs. You need to beat the hell out of him. He needs it. :D
 
you need to give him a B.O.L. (beating of a lifetime) that he won't soon forget. Here are some good things to say

<you beat him for the 17th time in a row> "You don't mind racking again do you"

<you miss> "ugghh, my arm's getting tired, you shoot for a while"

<he actually wins a game> walk town to the foot of the table, let out a sigh and say "Damn I haven't done this in a while, you think you could show me how to do this"


Edit: Also you should make him bet with you every game, nothing monetary, instead make him do degrading and humiliating things when he loses( like walking into Walgreens at lunchtime in his underwear to buy adult diapers and eating cat poop in front of the other kids)
 
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Sweet Marissa said:
On Thursday nights, we have a group of young adults that meet at our church called Veritas. In our meeting room, we also have a game area where we socialise before worship. There we have, among other things, a pool table. Nothing fancy. It's an old eight foot with worn out red cloth and crappy balls.

There's one kid, Michael, in his early twenties, who wants to play me every week. When I do, I go easy on him, but only because it's church. It's kinda obvious (or it is to me). I also let him win sometimes.

I don't care about letting him or anyone win a few games because it's church. The only thing that gets me is his behaviour. He takes slop shots then claims he meant to make that shot (I chuckle and let it slide but a couple others call him out on it), protests profusely if I get ball in hand, and tries to shark me when I'm up (I ignore it). When he "wins", he's all around the room bragging about how I'm his biggest opponent and he beat me, happier than a kid at Christmas. When I win, I shake his hand or give him a hug and take my seat.

It obviously means a lot to him, but he's just so frikkin obnoxious about it and, to be honest, it's pretty annoying. But I don't want to be mean. I guess my question is, would I be a bad person if I didn't let him win these games?

If he acts the way you describe i'd never LET him win a game only because of his attitude and actions. It doesn't seem to bother him that you are playing in church so I wouldn't let it bother me when I had the chance to run through him and let him take a seat. It's not fun to take advantage of weaker players for me, but things change if they act like a jerk.
 
Being "mean"

Sweet Marissa said:
On Thursday nights, we have a group of young adults that meet at our church called Veritas. In our meeting room, we also have a game area where we socialise before worship. There we have, among other things, a pool table. Nothing fancy. It's an old eight foot with worn out red cloth and crappy balls.

There's one kid, Michael, in his early twenties, who wants to play me every week. When I do, I go easy on him, but only because it's church. It's kinda obvious (or it is to me). I also let him win sometimes.

I don't care about letting him or anyone win a few games because it's church. The only thing that gets me is his behaviour. He takes slop shots then claims he meant to make that shot (I chuckle and let it slide but a couple others call him out on it), protests profusely if I get ball in hand, and tries to shark me when I'm up (I ignore it). When he "wins", he's all around the room bragging about how I'm his biggest opponent and he beat me, happier than a kid at Christmas. When I win, I shake his hand or give him a hug and take my seat.

It obviously means a lot to him, but he's just so frikkin obnoxious about it and, to be honest, it's pretty annoying. But I don't want to be mean. I guess my question is, would I be a bad person if I didn't let him win these games?

Interesting thread.

Some questions you may want to ask yourself:

Why would I let someone disrespect me?
Why would I allow someone to disrespect me in a church setting?
Why would I ignore someones behaviour who is disrespectful to my church and not counsel him about it?
Why do I make excuses for the "kid" who is actually an adult.

So, if I understand your logic, if someone is doing something wrong or being disrespectful and you bring it to that persons attention.. you would be "mean?

What does letting a person win a few games of anything make you a bad person? If you are letting them win because of your fear of being perceived as mean or your fear of not being liked or accepted, then that is false brotherhood and you are fueling their bad behavior. And if you let an adult "win" who demonstrates poor behavior and is disrepectful to you and others, then you have not stood for them in being a better person and Christian.

Never reward anyone for poor attitude, poor behavior and lack of self respect or lack of respect for others.

This situation is not about pool, I think it's more about you and how you see yourself and your perception on how others see you.

Just some thoughts.
 
If you beat me at the next DCC, can I get a hug too?


<-------uwate plays just below (the real) Tom Cruise speed if a hug from a pretty girl is staked.
 
Sweet Marissa said:
I'll clarify: I want everyone to have fun also, and if I win every game, it's not fun for them. They know I play pool, and most know I have played for money and in tournaments.
theres a time and a place to crush someone in pool.Be easy on the guy,make his day.it probably means alot to him to win and what is it to you?,nothing.;)
 
HIRUN526 said:
Interesting thread.

Some questions you may want to ask yourself:

Why would I let someone disrespect me?
Why would I allow someone to disrespect me in a church setting?
Why would I ignore someones behaviour who is disrespectful to my church and not counsel him about it?
Why do I make excuses for the "kid" who is actually an adult.

So, if I understand your logic, if someone is doing something wrong or being disrespectful and you bring it to that persons attention.. you would be "mean?

What does letting a person win a few games of anything make you a bad person? If you are letting them win because of your fear of being perceived as mean or your fear of not being liked or accepted, then that is false brotherhood and you are fueling their bad behavior. And if you let an adult "win" who demonstrates poor behavior and is disrepectful to you and others, then you have not stood for them in being a better person and Christian.

Never reward anyone for poor attitude, poor behavior and lack of self respect or lack of respect for others.

This situation is not about pool, I think it's more about you and how you see yourself and your perception on how others see you.

Just some thoughts.

My first TAP,TAP, TAP! :D
 
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