Player of the year for 2005???

2005 AWARDS
1) MENS player- Reyes....honorable mention-Manalo
2) Junior in a Mans role- Wu
3) WOMENS player- Fisher.....honorable mention-Fisher
4) Junior boy- Murphy
5) Junior girl- Oschan
6) Men's look for me in future- AZB's Solartje
7) Women's look for me in the future- AZB's Girlwon1

Terry
 
Tbeaux said:
7) Women's look for me in the future- AZB's Girlwon1

Terry
In light of her recent invitation to play on the WPBA tour next year, maybe #7 should read...
Come out and watch me on tour in 2006. ;)

(shameless opportunity taken to get the word out to anyone that might've missed it) :p
 
TheOne said:
You can only look at the major's to decide who's the best player of the year. It is quite clear that there are only a handful of stand out candidates. I was fortunate to see most of them play throught the year and this would be my top few:

1. Wu
It's widely accepted that the 9 ball WPC is the toughest tourny in the world to win. Winning this alone in any year would almost gaurantee the POY award unless another player won almost everything else. The fact he went on to win the world 8 ball as well makes it a no contest.

2. Manalo
In my eyes manalo is only a fraction behind wu, if wu hadn't won the world 8 ball chaps I think Manalo would have edged him. In his first trip to the US he win's reno (coming back from 6:0 down in the final!). He then goes on to win Hard Times, the ring game and also robbed Trex for 3.5k earning him 35k in two weeks! He then has a very good WPC and was absolutely robbed against Wu, who knows what would have happened if he had beat him. He does ok in US Open but makes up for it winning the jersey straight pool champs. Add to that his astonishing feat at the KOTH (where he was unlucky again) and the 100k win then I think most will agree that it's only wu's exceptional acheivment that kept Manalo from taking the prize!

3. Efren Reyes
Efren has had a very poor middle part of the year by his own standards. However he dominated DCC at the start of the year, I think he won the Japan Open and of course came storming back to win the KOTH event. It's great to see him back playing well again but he hasnt done enough this year to be ahead of wu and manalo

4. Alex P
Anyone that wins the US Open as the second strongest field in world 9 ball deserves a mention. And this years 256 strong field despite its lack of Asian players was exceptionally strong. Alex also won a few of the second tier tournys and had decent showings at the WPC etc.

5. Hohman
The BCA event is one of the majors but its still an invite only event with a restricted field. None the less hohmans performance to whitewash Archer 7:0 in the finals was very impressive. Other than that he's had a fairly quite year compared to the above.

Honourable mentions:

Bustamante
He had a purple patch during the last half of the year, winning the joss finals, carolinas and a few other smaller events. Only to top it off with his great 3rd place finish in the US Open. He also came close in the KOTH. Good to see him back in form

Feijin, Chamet, Engert, Immonen, Van Den Berg
These great european players have had some impressive results and always seem to finish high wherever they play. Feijin won the big apple and chamet won the world summit. Engert went close too. Immonen won the korea open and they all have done well on Euro Tour. Van Den Berg of course had high finishes in both the WPC and US Open.

Earl has had somewhat of a resurgance in form in the latter part of the year with some high finishes. If he only had wu's coconut! :)

Sorry if I missed a few out but thats my impression of 2005 from what I saw/read.

Great analysis.

Two things you overlooked regarding Hohmann: 1) he not only crushed Archer in the BCA Open but whitewashed Manalo in the winner's bracket semis, meaning he beat Manalo, Immonen and Archer to win the event. 2) he came 5th at the WPC despite competing with bronchitis (you have to seriously cionsider the possibility he'd have won if healthy).

Efren didn't do enough to be considered above Manalo? Please. I reckon the seven most prestigious events of the year were: 1) DCC nine ball, 2) DCC one pocket, 3) BCA Open, 4) WPC, 5) World 8-ball championship, 6) US Open and 7) IPT King of Hill. Efren won three of them. Manalo did not even reach the final in any of these events. Case closed!
 
Every player mentioned is great and can beat each other on any given day.
tap,tap ,tap to these top pros.:)
 
sjm said:
Great analysis.

Two things you overlooked regarding Hohmann: 1) he not only crushed Archer in the BCA Open but whitewashed Manalo in the winner's bracket semis, meaning he beat Manalo, Immonen and Archer to win the event. 2) he came 5th at the WPC despite competing with bronchitis (you have to seriously cionsider the possibility he'd have won if healthy).

Efren didn't do enough to be considered above Manalo? Please. I reckon the seven most prestigious events of the year were: 1) DCC nine ball, 2) DCC one pocket, 3) BCA Open, 4) WPC, 5) World 8-ball championship, 6) US Open and 7) IPT King of Hill. Efren won three of them. Manalo did not even reach the final in any of these events. Case closed!

You do love Hohman SJM :D But like I said before hohman was about 10 times more healthy than me in both Korea and Taiwan but yes we'll never know if it effected him.

One things for sure though if Manalo had had a few extra rolls he would certainly have won the KOTH and quite possibly the WPC.

Yes Efren had a great start to the year and a great finish (even though the KOTH eas invite only and he only had to play the final couple of rounds). By his standards he had a terrible year, even failing to get out of the groups of the WPC! IMO two strong tournaments doesnt cut it when judging over a 12 month period.

Manalo has had an amazing run since June, sweeping all before him really. I wouldn't be suprised if despite Efren's record win he tops the years money list. One things for sure though, it will be between him, Efren and wu.

Hope youre well old friend, and had a good Xmas. Hope to see you again soon :)
 
One more thing, I may have potentially done a disservice to both VAn Den Berg, and Bustamante. Van Den Berg and Bustamante both did great in 8 ball WPC.

Therefore Van Den Berg, had:

2nd 8 Ball WPC
5th 9 Ball WPC
5th US Open!
(the 3 biggest events of the year maybe?)

Bustamante:

3rd 8 Ball WPC
3rd US Open
3rd KOTH
(also maybe the 3 biggest events of the year maybe?)

Both may have a case to be above Alex P?

Wow, there's quite a few players that have had a great year
 
It will take an awful lot for anyone to overtake Reyes in the voters eyes the way I see it.Obviously two world titles(by Wu) in the same year will not be enough.

Efren is well revered by fellow professionals and he is the favourite player for the majority of them when asked. Fan's love his game and their love for him is enhanced by his beautiful personality.Personality is what has obviously kept Earl Strickland out of the BCA Hall of Fame, so personality means a lot.

If Wu would have won the titles that Efren won in 2005 and if Efren had won the 2 World Championships that Wu won in 2005, in my opinion there wouldn't even be a discusion here as to who player of the year should be. Reyes would be a mortal lock.

You see the same thing in boxing.A lot of times the contender has to score a knockout to win and ends up losing on points(when he should have won) because of the World Champs status and other political reasons.

I love Efren's game much more than I like Wu's game as it's soooooooooooo much more complete.Mentioning Wu's name as the "next Efren" is premature and blasphemy as far as I'm concerned.There are a dozen players that I like better than Wu.Having said all of that , I can't see how two World championships against the absolute strongest international competition in pool doesn't merit "player of the Year" status.It's almost as pitful as Earl getting snubbed year after year by the BCA....LOL!!!!

JMO,
RJ

ps. Thanks to everyone who's brought up some most interesting points on this thread so far.
 
jsp said:
From what I read, Manalo doesn't gamble at all. I'm beginning to think what you're saying is a bunch of hot air. Let me know if what I read is incorrect.

What ever you are using for a resource for Marlon not gambling, you better check them off your list of reliable sources.

A whole lot of people witnessed at the Sands Regency in Reno NV in June of 2005, Marlon and Tony Chohan playing an 8 ahead race for a huge chunk of jelly beans.

Marlon grew up gambling with his dad matching him up against the toughest in the Philipines, including Bustamante.

And to keep on topic.

Efren Reyes IMO is the #1 player of the year.
 
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Tom In Cincy said:
What ever you are using for a resource for Marlon not gambling, you better check them off your list of reliable sources.

A whole lot of people witnessed at the Sands Regency in Reno NV in June of 2005, Marlon and Tony Chohan playing an 8 ahead race for a huge chunk of jelly beans.

Marlon grew up gambling with his dad matching him up against the toughest in the Philipines, including Bustamante.
I believe Pete Rose and Filipino pro Marlon do not gamble.
Marlon might be the only Pinoy pro not to gamble .
And Pete never bet on dogs, horses, baseball games or any sport for that matter.
I bet Marlon was already betting some pesos a game of rotation before he got to high school ( before 13 years old ).
Pete's a saint.:D
 
Tom In Cincy said:
What ever you are using for a resource for Marlon not gambling, you better check them off your list of reliable sources.

A whole lot of people witnessed at the Sands Regency in Reno NV in June of 2005, Marlon and Tony Chohan playing an 8 ahead race for a huge chunk of jelly beans.

Marlon grew up gambling with his dad matching him up against the toughest in the Philipines, including Bustamante.
Sorry...I was using the article (supposedly) posted on Billiards Digest as reference...

http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=22129

Too bad the post didn't mention the author's name. I knew it was highly unlikely for any professional pool player not to gamble to sharpen his skills under pressure.
 
recoveryjones said:
I can't see how two World championships against the absolute strongest international competition in pool doesn't merit "player of the Year" status.

I am in awe as well that Wu is not a lock for POY, at least in the minds of many forum members.

To march through the WPC and take the trophy is the pinnacle achievement for any pool player; Wu did it twice in the same year. Furthermore, he is just a kid...and I think that does matter and should contribute to the decision as well.

In addition to the championships won, he also broke two records: youngest player to win a WPC (2x), and the only player to win both 8 and 9 ball WPC's in the same year.

-Roger
 
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