Player rating system
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I think a C player running one rack consistently in a race to 7 is a gross overestimate. Maybe 1 in 15-20 racks. Especially when you consider that accustats suggests that a ball ismade on the break less than 50% of the time. If you gave them BIH after the break with 10 open tables that might then be a good comparison. I would say my normal would be 3-7 ball runs, and I am usually going to get out from the 7 with BIH, but I know that I would not break and run at least once in every 7 game match. People's ability to break and run I believe is grossly overestimated. Simply look at the pro stats, and you will see that.
I always thought a D player was pretty much a beginner. I would expect a beginner to pretty much have a 3 or maybe a 4 ball run as their best run of the night, not the norm. Maybe I am wrong.
I always thought a D player was pretty much a beginner. I would expect a beginner to pretty much have a 3 or maybe a 4 ball run as their best run of the night, not the norm. Maybe I am wrong.
mantis99 said:
A D player is above a beginner in the fact that he has learned or been taught the proper stance and way to hold the stick, and probably an aiming system or 2. A C player is a D with more practice and position knowledge. A beginner is the people you see using cueballs as air hockey pucks on the table.
Im a C player but by this system, I think im a C+.
-I will run 1 or two racks a night.... sometimes more.
-avg. run is 4-6 balls
-with ball in hand, will get out from the 6, two out of three times
-fairly good at playing safe but play a bad one once in a while
-inning ends due to missed shot, fair safty or won game
-I will run 1 or two racks a night.... sometimes more.
-avg. run is 4-6 balls
-with ball in hand, will get out from the 6, two out of three times
-fairly good at playing safe but play a bad one once in a while
-inning ends due to missed shot, fair safty or won game
I agree hang the 9. That is how I see it. (concerning the C player not running out)
Creedo- I think an A is a very, very strong player. I would expect their high run to be more than 3. I am nowhere near that. I would think most B players have high runs of 3. I am probably a C player, and I have run 2 racks in a row a few times.
Creedo- I think an A is a very, very strong player. I would expect their high run to be more than 3. I am nowhere near that. I would think most B players have high runs of 3. I am probably a C player, and I have run 2 racks in a row a few times.
NervousNovice said:
yes, "get out from the 7" means you will run the 7-8-9.
and giving someone the 8 is a "spot" or "handicap". Say I want to play you for money but Im better than you, I say, "i'll give you the 8". That means if you make the 8 or 9, you win. However you have to call the 8 ball in order to be a win. There is also "give you the 8, wild" which means you dont have to call it...if it fall, you win.
Hey at least D is passing.
You could try "progressive nine ball" to see how you stand here. I think it would also be a reasonable way to rank players. Break the balls. Take off all but the 7-8-9. Try to run out with ball in hand. If you can do that 3 out of 5 tries, move to the 6-7-8-9. If you run out at least 3 of 5 with four balls on the table, move to five balls. If you fail to get 3 of 5 runs, move back to the next lower notch. Continue until you're tired of the drill, and score yourself as the final number you reach, such as 6 balls. That shows that on average you can get out half the time with 6 balls left on the table. The advantage of doing the drill like this rather than just shoot at a certain number of balls is that it automatically adjusts the difficulty to your 50% point. You can go for other % points by changing the success requirements, such as to 4 out of 5.Andrew Manning said:
Bob Jewett said:
I think if you were to do it this way you would need to remove the random effect...meaning how the balls spread plays a pretty significant role in how hard it is to run the balls out.
I could see a pre-set 789 and then progressively adding (pre-set) balls until 10 balls are on the table.
I would think pre-selected ball positions could be arranged to progressivly test different skill sets required to be a top level player...
The randomicity is smoothed but not eliminated by going for 3 of 5 "racks." If you want a more accurate average from your practice, record the number of balls you shoot at each timeBRKNRUN said:
3-4-5-4-5-4-5-6-5-4-5-4-5-6-5-6-5
and take the average of those values, which is 4.765 for that case.
Some racks are hard and some are easy. Consider this set up. Freeze the 8 ball on the side rail at the head string (either side). Put the 7 centered in the jaws of the side pocket on that same side of the table. Freeze the 9 ball in the middle of the foot rail.
In my understanding of C players, few of them will get through this three-ball layout. Reverse the 7 and 8 and most of them will. Note that there is a hard side and an easy side depending on the handedness of the player if they draw the cue ball from the 8 to the nine. C players can't even do it on the easy side.
Based on that, I'm not sure whether I'm a B or a C...
Andrew Manning said:
Andrew, just toss 6 balls out and fix any clusters to make it a true connect the dots layout.
Take BIH and if you run out 7 out of 10 that would be in the B range IMHO.
Then roll out 6 the same way but instead of using BIH to set up a makable shot, set up for a safety. Be "random" about where you place the CB so you don't have the same type of shot all the time.
Play 10 shots and if you leave a hook 7 of 10 that would be in the B range.
If you can't do BOTH those things then I would say you are in the C range.
Also, since the break is so important, I think any B player should get at least 3 balls to pass the head string...with any pocketed balls counting against the 3.
The above is supplemental to the other poster's list of criteria which I think are good. My suggestions would just tend to be useful for anyone who is on the border of those categories.
Regards,
Jim
crawfish said:
There is no way this should be right. A b player runs out pretty consistently? World class players run out pretty consistently. Even on big pocket equipment b players dont run out consistently. Consistent means you do it as a routine. You do it all the time. This is not, nor has ever been the case, in any part of the world, true of a B player.
Another point
to bring up is that someone may be an A player in their head, but only perform to a B level on the table, and the reverse can be true.
Lots of times when players are equal in skill, one of them is better in knowledge and mentally tougher, and will win the greatest percentage of the time. That's why lots of these 'up-n-comers' will cool off after awhile, they enjoy a spurt in skill and putting logic together, but then they start playing guys that are tougher, have more knowledge, start getting beat, and it puts there feet back on the ground. Then they start to realize they don't know everything there is to know.
to bring up is that someone may be an A player in their head, but only perform to a B level on the table, and the reverse can be true.
Lots of times when players are equal in skill, one of them is better in knowledge and mentally tougher, and will win the greatest percentage of the time. That's why lots of these 'up-n-comers' will cool off after awhile, they enjoy a spurt in skill and putting logic together, but then they start playing guys that are tougher, have more knowledge, start getting beat, and it puts there feet back on the ground. Then they start to realize they don't know everything there is to know.
Snapshot9 said:
That is so true. I'm an A from the time I watch a pro pool match to the time I open the door to the pool hall
The key to getting better is to know there are things to improve and to be honest in your evaluation of yourself. If a person keeps saying "I would have run out if the ball went another inch" or "I lost because I got bad rolls", they will end up getting stuck. Just because I like using real examples in my posts: guy in my pool room, shoots well, natural talent. Gets beat much more than most because he matches up with good players even, thinks he can play better than he does, ands end up posting up more than he would if he had an honest evaluation of his game. He must have lost his various cues 4-5 or more times betting. Now to give him credit, if he let his ego and tendancy to show off his stoke go down a bit, his winning % will go up immediately. I have seen him runout as much as anyone in the room when he plays right, but since he thinks he is already as good as anyone, he loses focus and there goes another cue of his in someone elses bag.