playing pocket speed

While I agree that playing pocket speed is important, it seems that it is not nearly as important that some would have it in rotation games and snooker (while no one can deny the importance in straight pool and one pocket). Watching professional standard pool and snooker shows that they prefer to hit shots with a medium/firm speed and positive cueing whenever possible, even when slower alternatives are available (the two universal exceptions being balls on or extremely close to the rail in snooker and of course pocket cheating shots in pool.)

I guess why many instructors recommend amateurs to play certain shots slowly ,in contrast to professionals, is to increase their success with these shots since their make percentage with higher speed may be suspect. while for the pros (whose make percentage on the same shots are almost 100%) the element of risk of a bad contact at slower speed and avoiding "getting out of stroke" is more important. I find that the better I'm playing, the harder I'm hitting shots (not like Ram shots but quite firm). I remember watching one match with Efren Reyes where he was playing terribly (relative to his normal standard) and one commentator very astutely observed that he was "babying the ball". His standard of play immidiately improved when he started shooting shots more firmly.

The easiest way to learn pocket speed IMHO is the so called brainwashing drill where you throw 15 balls out and try to run them off whithout touching a rail. The L-drill, when played properly will also give you opportunities to practice this.
 
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Pocket speed and rolling balls go right out the window if the table rolls off.
CLUB EVERYTHING!
 
please define your idea of pocket speed

Yeah, I need a definition of 'pocket speed' also.
To me, making a ball at pocket speed is the same as making it 'dead weight'...
...the ball just barely drops, no chance of hitting the back of the pocket.
 
Yeah, I need a definition of 'pocket speed' also.
To me, making a ball at pocket speed is the same as making it 'dead weight'...
...the ball just barely drops, no chance of hitting the back of the pocket.

I don't know what the op meant, but to me pocket speed is shooting the shot with exactly as much speed as needed to drop the ball EVEN IF it slightly grazes the rail or hits the jaw of the pocket. If it will only go when hit cleanly, then it's not pocket speed.
 
Pocket speed is the same as playing in dead punch.
I cringe when I hear both mentioned.

Its cue ball speed into your next shot for position. The players dream is perfect speed and getting close to your work.
Each shot has its own speed and has little to do with the object ball dropping in at the right speed.

It's all about the cue ball speed; the object ball speed into a pocket is just a by-product of cue ball speed control.

If you slow roll a ball, or slam a ball in because you are too straight does not matter, each one is the speed required for the cue ball to get where it needs to go...2 inches or 12 feet. Hit them in the center and they drop.

If you focus on the term pocket speed and the so called meanings you will probably fall short on position more times than you can dream of.

Playing in"speed of stroke" is an entirely different subject and 100,000,00 times more important than anything called pocket speed.

It's all about the cue ball; everything else comes in second place.

Sincerely:SS
 
One pocket helps a lot.
Running 15 balls indiscriminately pocket speed helps a lot as well. The sound that is produced from the ball DROPPING in to the bottom of the pocket is very different from the sound of the ball hitting the back of the pocket. Its like a putt in golf FALLING in.

I'm sure there are ways to "master" pocket speed, but that means being able to get the most out of the cue ball with various angles, amounts of spin and cue ball speed.

Pocket speed really comes up the most in One Pocket. That I'm sure we can all agree on? If you are a pro and never miss and just try for 8 and out every time then thats okay too. The whole essence of "mastering" pocket speed in one pocket is being able to move the cue ball into an area where you do sellout and drop or hang up the object ball. The same qualifies for banks.

However! If I bank a ball to my hole and hit it hard enough to freeze the CB to the end rail but the speed is too fast to hang up on the shot, did I hit it bad? No, not if a sold out Pocket speed teaches more with less effort than anything.
 
Pocket speed is the same as playing in dead punch.
I cringe when I hear both mentioned.

Its cue ball speed into your next shot for position. The players dream is perfect speed and getting close to your work.
Each shot has its own speed and has little to do with the object ball dropping in at the right speed.

It's all about the cue ball speed; the object ball speed into a pocket is just a by-product of cue ball speed control.

If you slow roll a ball, or slam a ball in because you are too straight does not matter, each one is the speed required for the cue ball to get where it needs to go...2 inches or 12 feet. Hit them in the center and they drop.

If you focus on the term pocket speed and the so called meanings you will probably fall short on position more times than you can dream of.

Playing in"speed of stroke" is an entirely different subject and 100,000,00 times more important than anything called pocket speed.

It's all about the cue ball; everything else comes in second place.

Sincerely:SS

Agreed. It is absolutely all about the CB.
 
I don't know what the op meant, but to me pocket speed is shooting the shot with exactly as much speed as needed to drop the ball EVEN IF it slightly grazes the rail or hits the jaw of the pocket. If it will only go when hit cleanly, then it's not pocket speed.

Yes, absolutely.

It is about hitting the ball as hard as you can (or need to) and still make the ball.
 
Your definition doesn't seem to have anything to do with the pocket. The skill needed to get the cue ball to go the correct distance is more clearly called "speed control".

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I believe he is talking about playing to a pocket's size ie. tightness, although at this point I'm not sure either.
 
I believe he is talking about playing to a pocket's size ie. tightness, although at this point I'm not sure either.

Yes. Bash the balls about on pro equipment and see how many balls you think you've hit perfectly rattle and stay in the jaws.

You must play differently.
 
Yes. Bash the balls about on pro equipment and see how many balls you think you've hit perfectly rattle and stay in the jaws.

You must play differently.

Ron, I play on pretty close to pro equipment, Diamonds and Gold Crowns mostly shimmed and believe me my room owner takes pride in his tables being in shape and I can rifle a ball in on any table, triple or double shimmed, when I am stroking well and conversely when I am not in the right place it seems I can't make a ball. Just two weeks ago I told my room owner I forgot how to play pool. Now I can't miss. Funny game don't you think?
 
Yes. Bash the balls about on pro equipment and see how many balls you think you've hit perfectly rattle and stay in the jaws.

You must play differently.

I prefer pro equipment over some of the nightmarishly tight tables they have at Big Tyme Billiards. That being said, now I know you don't mean pocket speed pocket speed you mean playing to the speed of the table and pocket. As in getting the most you can out of the cue ball without hammering the balls in. This gets really important when you can decrease the speed of your stop shots.
 
It doesn't matter what table you play or the pocket size of that table. If you need force follow to get shape then you need force follow. Unless, possibly you are talking about 7 foot Diamonds with Simonis 860.
 
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