BLAH BLAH "three balls in a row" BLAH BLAH "custom cues worth more than their car" BLAH BLAH 'i'm so zen my cat uses a carefully raked litter box"
Playing Safe - The Intent is the Factor - APA
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BLAH BLAH "three balls in a row" BLAH BLAH "custom cues worth more than their car" BLAH BLAH 'i'm so zen my cat uses a carefully raked litter box"
Why?
...oh, the $38 pocket maker, it's been done.
Why does it bother you the equipment that someone else might use?
As much as you whine you were built to play APA.
I never said anything about how the APA scores things... I pointed out what makes more sense and how Accu-Stats would score it....
What if the players intent is to try and luck it in? APA is not call shot so if a player blasts the balls or kicks hard then what? Happens pretty often in APA....
Your 8ball is tied up I shoot a 5 rail bank and miss? I was trying to make it!!! You saw I barely missed... I intended to make it because it was cool to shoot it and if it had fallen I might have shot another one just like it... Shouldn't matter that I passed up a straight in shot if it's about intent.... I called the 5 railer... It was virtually an impossible shot but I did the best I could to make it anyway....
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Basically, what it comes down to is how their system is set up. The way it works is that a defensive shot should be marked if not going for a shot. I disagreed with that a while ago, but finally understood that it was not up to me to interpret what the apa clearly states for reasons of their own.
It bothers me because I play on the table next to them when they start the league up. They huddle around the tables like football players and have a coach come over to explain the "play" to them and they are sitting around keeping "score" when you can count the number of balls they made in a night on one hand.
The APA is nothing more than an excuse to get out of the house, slam balls around, and drink beer from what I've seen.
They talk about their new LD shafts and break cues and they can't even hold a stick properly.
It isn't all of them, but it is the great majority of them that I see every week.
FWIW, I only played any kind of league two years in my entire life. Both of those years (1988 & 89), I had the HIGHEST rating of ANYBODY in Grand Forks, ND league and my team won the championship two years in a row.
The only reason I played league then was because it was too damn cold to do anything else in the winter and the owner of all the tables in the league asked me to join his team. He saw me practicing by myself in the pool hall and came over and introduced himself.
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Yeah I get that completely.... Not my job to rewrite the rulebook.... Just pointing out that it opens up a lot of ambiguity....
I always shot banks when the 8 ball was tied up and all they had left when I played years ago... They would either break it open, give me ball in hand or I would make enough banks that I would have to shoot a defensive shot eventually...
Found it odd that I could be shooting trick shots based on how the rules were written and there would be no defensive shot marked because I was really trying to make the shots that I was shooting.. Favorite was lagging 3 in the side since if I missed I could pretty much tear anything out on the table shooting a ball into the side with ball in hand on a bar box.....
.... I see....
so when you started, before you became a serious player your were always at a AAA level of player?
Are you that pissy about the guy that can dress in Armani suits and Gucci shoes? or the guy that drives a brand new Escalade while you have a 2004 Bronco? or the Guy that is dating a Super Model while you're dating (or married to) a nice girl with a middle-aged spread? and just what do you play with? Do you bring your own broom stick from home?
Congratulations on your consecutive championships, sounds like you're been living off those for quite a while.
If you worked on your game as much as resent other players with nice equipment you'd probably be winning Mosconi Cups.
No one likes bratty kids and their toys, but you are kind of overboard with this whole thing, let it go, you'll sleep much better at night
This. Exactly this. He's the type of super-fun guy that *****es about people in the gym after new years trying to stick to a resolution to get in better shape. The kind that popped out of the womb bench pressing their mom. The kind that is still telling stories about their high school football "careers" from the late 80s like it was last friday night. They're my favorite kind of people in the whole world.
But yeah. Congrats on those BACK-TO-BACK championships back in 88-89! I'm super envious now.
I started as a kid and worked in a pool hall and by the time I was 16 I could beat anybody in my town and was backed by the owner of the pool hall playing one pocket for $100 a game against the old guys. I travelled around with backers and played almost every bar and pool hall for a hundred miles or so in any direction from where I grew up.
I don't care about championships or leagues or any of that. I have won more trophies than you have toes and fingers, many times over.
I'm not into leagues because they have dumb-ass rules and they are designed to make money....not to teach people how to improve their pool game. As a matter of fact, I take some of the players aside and actually teach them a thing or two instead of trying to sell them something.
As far as playing equipment goes, I use a custom 1950s Titlist conversion at the moment. That is as fancy as I need. I could have had Mike Pancerny put a thousand inlays in it when he converted it, but inlays don't do anything to improve a cue. I've had Richard Black make me two custom cues (1978 & 1981) and neither of them had fancy stuff in them. I use a cue for playing, not for looking at.
As far as fancy clothes go, you can dress up like "Super Fly" if you want to and that is fine with me.
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Now you are just posting to argue. Read the thread, get a clue and then type something that makes sense and is in some way related to anything I said.
Generalize much, Mr. Ego?
Well I really hope you are better at pool than reading comprehension.
Explain to me why you would expect a shot you were shooting at to make would be marked as a defensive shot to begin with?
Maybe I am just too new to the game as I have only really played for 3 years, but does the shot difficulty have some factor into the scoring of a game like it is for Olympic Gymnastics?
I'm 62 and play once a week on Sundays and have to spot the A-players. What kind of spot you need?
And while we are going way back and mentioning "back to back", I won the island-wide Taiwan pool championships back-to-back in 1975 and 1976.
I can still play at an above-A level and only bang the balls around once a week, after quitting for over a dozen years the last time. What level do you play at?
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Yet you give us your history of how great you are as if anyone really cares.
Yet you tell us about your "great" equipment.
BTW, What is a Titlist conversion? Who are these Pancerny and Black people you speak of? Can't matter too much. If they did, even people that don't play pool would know their names.
"Safety" and "defense" are not synonymous.
There are two types of shots in APA. The first is one that could be described as "offense". This is when a player's intent is to legally pocket his/her object ball. The second kind of shot is basically everything else.
Kicking at a ball "just to make a legal hit" clearly is not an offensive shot, therefore it must be defensive.
You know, for someone that doesn't care much about trophies and championships you sure do give out your resume an awful lot, and you don't need fancy? really? But you'll tell us about your numerous Richard Black cues and your 1950 Titlist?
I don't have Super Fly clothes nor inclination to own or wear any thing like that, frankly they're goshe'.
As far as what you wear and what cue you play with, don't you wear what suits you and play with the cue that suits you - the one you like? I like your titlist by the way, wish I had one, but my Schon and my Predator suit me just fine. Congrats again on all your trophies and championships, you must be proud as you continue to mention that. I, myself haven't been that fortunate, but I have won a couple, but my meager awards pale in comparison to your wall full of stuff.
You know, I get the feeling that you've been playing long enough to not care what other folks are playing with or for. It's nice that the room owner was your stakehorse back then, but we don't all have your natural talent and most of us don't need a stakehorse. But you need us more than you think. It's a good bet that without leagues most of the rooms that are still open would close down. Now you don't have to kowtow on any level, but your hatred of league players and leagues in general is way out of line. You don't have to associate with them if you don't want, just let them be, and we don't need your resume, I'm sure you're as good as you say you are, I'd certainly never want to play you.
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for APA purposes they are
If you have never heard of a Titlist or Richard Black, you don't play pool.
Ask that question in the Cue Maker forum and see what kind of answer you get.
http://cuezilla.com/week-23-the-brunswick-titlist-cue/
‘Titlist’ is without a doubt the single most known word in the world of collectible cues. It would be easier to compile a list of cuemakers who haven’t converted a Titlist than a list of those who have. George Balabushka and Gus Szamboti both started their legendary careers using the Titlist as the foundation for their earliest masterpieces.
http://www.blackcues.com/
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Well I didn't come out of the womb as a tournament pro, so I wouldn't be able to compete with you unfortunately. I just started playing 3 years ago. I wouldn't expect you to understand what that means since you've always been a world beater, but some people do actually have to start from the bottom and practice, learn and work their way up. We aren't all blessed with the innate ability right off the bat.
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It means they don't care. I barely know, only because of this place. Couldn't accurately identify one.. because i don't care.