I've been playing the 9 ball ghost for a while now. I would have to say on a bar box if I play it to a race to 5 .. I beat it 3 out of 5 times. I never really played the 8 ball ghost because it seemed silly for some reason. I prefer playing 8 over 9 ball but it just seemed 9 ball was a better game to play against the ghost. Well I've now done it 8 or 9 times in a race to 3 and haven't beaten it once lol It's much tougher. The opening run in 8 ball is always the toughest even with ball in hand. I've gotten it to the hill a couple time but can't get it done. My break is a little lacking lately because of tennis elbow and my unwillingness to go get another shot in it so I'm not getting quite the explosion I normally do but even when I do get a great break it still isnt easy. Anyone play this on a regular basis and do you think its helped?