Playing the ghost?

senor said:
Jaden,

All the top players torture the ghost. 10-ball and 11-ball makes a difference, but not enough for them to get or stay loser at the game. Not sure what good players you are in touch with in SoCal, but you might want to check with them whether they would rather play in a tournament, match up with another player their speed, or play the 10/11 ball ghost. Oscar, Ernesto, Max, Billy...I can't imagine anyone turning down guaranteed action with the ghost in that scenario.

Well, they don't seem to do so in matches. I'd like to have $100.00 for every time I've seen a touring pro NOT get out after the break with a very makable shot on the lowest ball.

Remember Alex not getting out after he made SIX BALLS on the break?

They may BEAT the ghost in practice but even then, I don't think they TORTURE it...which IMHO means...say...winning a race to 9 by...oh...9-4.

Regards,
Jim
 
Luxury said:
BTW I think practicing against the ghost is excellent practice and I will tell you why.

I think the problem with a lot of practice sessions is that you don't give real match level focus on every shot when you are just pocketing balls in practice. When practicing against the ghost you really do focus hard on EVERY shot because you know that if you miss you just lost and you have to rack all the balls up again right now.

That is the other sweet thing. You end up practicing your break big time! For those that don't already know, the break is the most important shot in 9 ball or 10 ball if you are at a decent level.

Whenever I'm about to practice against the ghost I hit about 20 break shots in 3 minutes using my break rak device to warm up.

I have to say that this is my feelings on the ghost exactly...you can remain at a high level of focus even though you are playing by yourself. Something that many (including me) have a hard time doing. And I agree that the break is very, very critical in these games.
 
Luxury said:
That would be a good universal way to rate players. One guy could say he can beat the 6ball ghost on a 9 footer and another guy might say that he can consistently beat the 4 ball ghost and thats it.
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Or people can try the Peter Drill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJuctXa5BEw

Once you do it, you will et a level (a level of incompetence ;-)) that you can try to beat in the future.
 
I lost three sets but came close at the 10-ball ghost (6-10,9-10,9-10) and I am absolutely not even close to being a shortstop.

Tight table, bad breaks, and having a bad day will make some great players lose at the nine or ten ball ghost but they slaughter it when they're playing good.

Can you even imagine giving Shane ball in hand when he's breaking good?
 
av84fun said:
Well, they don't seem to do so in matches. I'd like to have $100.00 for every time I've seen a touring pro NOT get out after the break with a very makable shot on the lowest ball.

Remember Alex not getting out after he made SIX BALLS on the break?

They may BEAT the ghost in practice but even then, I don't think they TORTURE it...which IMHO means...say...winning a race to 9 by...oh...9-4.

Regards,
Jim

Considering that the Ghost is played with bih after the break, yes, they DO torture it.

In fact, to PROVE how much they torture it, I'll stake any top pro against you, and they'll play the 9 ball ghost getting bih after the break. We bet $100 (or $1000, for that matter) a rack, and I pay you off at 2-1 every time they fail to get out. You simply pay whatever the bet is if they get out.

You'll be broke as a joke within the hour. Maybe two hours, depending on how much you bring.

A top pro faces LITTLE TO NO pressure playing the 9 ball ghost. Why? Because the ghost only punishes them with ONE game. And then they ALWAYS get a great shot in the next rack.

There is NO PRESSURE for them playing the 9 ball ghost with bih after the break.

Jim, if you'll give me 5-1 on the money, I'll bet on myself versus the ghost if you are planning on being at DCC this year. Heck, I'm just a C player and I think that's a good game for me. :D

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
Considering that the Ghost is played with bih after the break, yes, they DO torture it.

In fact, to PROVE how much they torture it, I'll stake any top pro against you, and they'll play the 9 ball ghost getting bih after the break. We bet $100 (or $1000, for that matter) a rack, and I pay you off at 2-1 every time they fail to get out. You simply pay whatever the bet is if they get out.

You'll be broke as a joke within the hour. Maybe two hours, depending on how much you bring.

A top pro faces LITTLE TO NO pressure playing the 9 ball ghost. Why? Because the ghost only punishes them with ONE game. And then they ALWAYS get a great shot in the next rack.

There is NO PRESSURE for them playing the 9 ball ghost with bih after the break.

Jim, if you'll give me 5-1 on the money, I'll bet on myself versus the ghost if you are planning on being at DCC this year. Heck, I'm just a C player and I think that's a good game for me. :D

Russ

WHOAHHHHH BIG FELLA!!

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Originally Posted by senor
Jaden,

All the top players torture the ghost. 10-ball and 11-ball makes a difference, but not enough for them to get or stay loser at the game. Not sure what good players you are in touch with in SoCal, but you might want to check with them whether they would rather play in a tournament, match up with another player their speed, or play the 10/11 ball ghost. Oscar, Ernesto, Max, Billy...I can't imagine anyone turning down guaranteed action with the ghost in that scenario.

Av8
I will stack it up with anyone who wants to give me 3 on the wire against the 10 Ball Ghost....race to 9...9 ft....4.5 straight cut pockets.
_____________________________________________________________

How did we get from 3 on the wire...race to 9 and from torturing the 10/11 ball ghost to winning single racks of 9 ball?

My above challenge stands. How about 1000 a set...3 set guarantee...Johnny Archer at his place if he has 4.5s or some other Atlanta local joint that does.

We both POST with Johnny to hold the stakes. I've never hung with Johnny...only said hello a couple of times but in any event, it goes without saying that you can trust him not to dump.

Johnny gets 20% which is $200.00 minimum....$600.00 maximum for a couple of hours.

I live in Nashville so would be there personally and if you can't be there, I'll phone or e-mail you after every rack.

The only condition is that we'd have to discuss and agree on the rules...no funny business--it's just that there are variations.

Regards,
Jim
 
Pii said:
Sorry I was talking about against the ghost.
Yes playing the ghost. I'll play the 9ball ghost with NO BALL IN HAND AND I HAVE TO MAKE A BALL ON THE BREAK, IF I DONT MAKE A BALL ON THE BREAK I LOSE THAT GAME. What odds can i get playing by the game??
 
donny mills said:
Yes playing the ghost. I'll play the 9ball ghost with NO BALL IN HAND AND I HAVE TO MAKE A BALL ON THE BREAK, IF I DONT MAKE A BALL ON THE BREAK I LOSE THAT GAME. What odds can i get playing by the game??

Donny it sounds to me like you can get action playing the 10-ball ghost with BIH.

I'm not offering but I'd put the line at 7:2 or 4:1 in your proposed game.
 
I know that they torture the nineball ghost.

Russ Chewning said:
Considering that the Ghost is played with bih after the break, yes, they DO torture it.

In fact, to PROVE how much they torture it, I'll stake any top pro against you, and they'll play the 9 ball ghost getting bih after the break. We bet $100 (or $1000, for that matter) a rack, and I pay you off at 2-1 every time they fail to get out. You simply pay whatever the bet is if they get out.

You'll be broke as a joke within the hour. Maybe two hours, depending on how much you bring.

A top pro faces LITTLE TO NO pressure playing the 9 ball ghost. Why? Because the ghost only punishes them with ONE game. And then they ALWAYS get a great shot in the next rack.

There is NO PRESSURE for them playing the 9 ball ghost with bih after the break.

Jim, if you'll give me 5-1 on the money, I'll bet on myself versus the ghost if you are planning on being at DCC this year. Heck, I'm just a C player and I think that's a good game for me. :D

Russ


I torture the nineball ghost the majority of the time.

We're talking about pressure stakes ten ball and higher ghost here, and I've already stated that I wouldn't bet against them because they are liable to beat it three or four straight sets. I have already stated this, but they are not going to beat the ten ball ghost and higher with stakes on it more than fifty precent of the time.

Just watch their matches and count the number of times they run out in ten ball with shape that is equivalent to BIH. IT's not fifty percent, just watch the Smchidt HArriman match that's on TAR right now.

Jaden
 
Drew said:
Donny it sounds to me like you can get action playing the 10-ball ghost with BIH.

I'm not offering but I'd put the line at 7:2 or 4:1 in your proposed game.
All i want is 3 to 1 if anybody wants the action.
 
I'd guess that the majoriity of people who have seen you play good, and I know you can play great, would never give you those odds.

Sorry to be a "knocker" but even the 12-ball ghost at 3-1 would be a questionable bet considering that the ghost breaks pretty good at 12-ball.

2-1 on a tight table and you might get action, IMHO.
 
donny mills said:
All i want is 3 to 1 if anybody wants the action.

Wow 3:1. Maybe I've underestimated you a little bit. Sounds tempting but I can't give you the kind of action you're looking for.
 
donny mills said:
All i want is 3 to 1 if anybody wants the action.

You got it.....at the US Open this year. Neutral table ofcourse and you have to make one on the break.....

Southpaw
 
bud green said:
I'd guess that the majoriity of people who have seen you play good, and I know you can play great, would never give you those odds.

Sorry to be a "knocker" but even the 12-ball ghost at 3-1 would be a questionable bet considering that the ghost breaks pretty good at 12-ball.

2-1 on a tight table and you might get action, IMHO.

You're saying Donny breaks and runs out every third rack? I don't know. That's stiff action for Earl.
 
donny mills said:
Yes playing the ghost. I'll play the 9ball ghost with NO BALL IN HAND AND I HAVE TO MAKE A BALL ON THE BREAK, IF I DONT MAKE A BALL ON THE BREAK I LOSE THAT GAME. What odds can i get playing by the game??

2-1

Neutral racker

3 Races to 9

CB fouls

World Standard Rules

1k per set...posted in advance to a trusted party.

Bet.
 
av84fun said:
My above challenge stands. How about 1000 a set...3 set guarantee...Johnny Archer at his place if he has 4.5s or some other Atlanta local joint that does.

We both POST with Johnny to hold the stakes. I've never hung with Johnny...only said hello a couple of times but in any event, it goes without saying that you can trust him not to dump.

Johnny gets 20% which is $200.00 minimum....$600.00 maximum for a couple of hours.

I live in Nashville so would be there personally and if you can't be there, I'll phone or e-mail you after every rack.

The only condition is that we'd have to discuss and agree on the rules...no funny business--it's just that there are variations.

Regards,
Jim

What is the game? Ghost9ball If yes, then I would like to stake this game for the player esp if your talking about Archer. Archer, 9ball ghost, 1k a set, post 3 sets. You get 2-1 on the bet Maybe we could get TAR involved. Archer could get more than 20% too.
 
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