No not a race, playing by the game.Pii said:how long is the race?
senor said:Jaden,
All the top players torture the ghost. 10-ball and 11-ball makes a difference, but not enough for them to get or stay loser at the game. Not sure what good players you are in touch with in SoCal, but you might want to check with them whether they would rather play in a tournament, match up with another player their speed, or play the 10/11 ball ghost. Oscar, Ernesto, Max, Billy...I can't imagine anyone turning down guaranteed action with the ghost in that scenario.
Luxury said:BTW I think practicing against the ghost is excellent practice and I will tell you why.
I think the problem with a lot of practice sessions is that you don't give real match level focus on every shot when you are just pocketing balls in practice. When practicing against the ghost you really do focus hard on EVERY shot because you know that if you miss you just lost and you have to rack all the balls up again right now.
That is the other sweet thing. You end up practicing your break big time! For those that don't already know, the break is the most important shot in 9 ball or 10 ball if you are at a decent level.
Whenever I'm about to practice against the ghost I hit about 20 break shots in 3 minutes using my break rak device to warm up.
Luxury said:That would be a good universal way to rate players. One guy could say he can beat the 6ball ghost on a 9 footer and another guy might say that he can consistently beat the 4 ball ghost and thats it.
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av84fun said:Well, they don't seem to do so in matches. I'd like to have $100.00 for every time I've seen a touring pro NOT get out after the break with a very makable shot on the lowest ball.
Remember Alex not getting out after he made SIX BALLS on the break?
They may BEAT the ghost in practice but even then, I don't think they TORTURE it...which IMHO means...say...winning a race to 9 by...oh...9-4.
Regards,
Jim
Sorry I was talking about against the ghost.donny mills said:No not a race, playing by the game.
Russ Chewning said:Considering that the Ghost is played with bih after the break, yes, they DO torture it.
In fact, to PROVE how much they torture it, I'll stake any top pro against you, and they'll play the 9 ball ghost getting bih after the break. We bet $100 (or $1000, for that matter) a rack, and I pay you off at 2-1 every time they fail to get out. You simply pay whatever the bet is if they get out.
You'll be broke as a joke within the hour. Maybe two hours, depending on how much you bring.
A top pro faces LITTLE TO NO pressure playing the 9 ball ghost. Why? Because the ghost only punishes them with ONE game. And then they ALWAYS get a great shot in the next rack.
There is NO PRESSURE for them playing the 9 ball ghost with bih after the break.
Jim, if you'll give me 5-1 on the money, I'll bet on myself versus the ghost if you are planning on being at DCC this year. Heck, I'm just a C player and I think that's a good game for me.
Russ
Yes playing the ghost. I'll play the 9ball ghost with NO BALL IN HAND AND I HAVE TO MAKE A BALL ON THE BREAK, IF I DONT MAKE A BALL ON THE BREAK I LOSE THAT GAME. What odds can i get playing by the game??Pii said:Sorry I was talking about against the ghost.
donny mills said:Yes playing the ghost. I'll play the 9ball ghost with NO BALL IN HAND AND I HAVE TO MAKE A BALL ON THE BREAK, IF I DONT MAKE A BALL ON THE BREAK I LOSE THAT GAME. What odds can i get playing by the game??
Russ Chewning said:Considering that the Ghost is played with bih after the break, yes, they DO torture it.
In fact, to PROVE how much they torture it, I'll stake any top pro against you, and they'll play the 9 ball ghost getting bih after the break. We bet $100 (or $1000, for that matter) a rack, and I pay you off at 2-1 every time they fail to get out. You simply pay whatever the bet is if they get out.
You'll be broke as a joke within the hour. Maybe two hours, depending on how much you bring.
A top pro faces LITTLE TO NO pressure playing the 9 ball ghost. Why? Because the ghost only punishes them with ONE game. And then they ALWAYS get a great shot in the next rack.
There is NO PRESSURE for them playing the 9 ball ghost with bih after the break.
Jim, if you'll give me 5-1 on the money, I'll bet on myself versus the ghost if you are planning on being at DCC this year. Heck, I'm just a C player and I think that's a good game for me.
Russ
All i want is 3 to 1 if anybody wants the action.Drew said:Donny it sounds to me like you can get action playing the 10-ball ghost with BIH.
I'm not offering but I'd put the line at 7:2 or 4:1 in your proposed game.
donny mills said:All i want is 3 to 1 if anybody wants the action.
donny mills said:All i want is 3 to 1 if anybody wants the action.
5 to 1???????? Hell, I will try that and Im just a D+ player.
Southpaw
bud green said:I'd guess that the majoriity of people who have seen you play good, and I know you can play great, would never give you those odds.
Sorry to be a "knocker" but even the 12-ball ghost at 3-1 would be a questionable bet considering that the ghost breaks pretty good at 12-ball.
2-1 on a tight table and you might get action, IMHO.
donny mills said:Yes playing the ghost. I'll play the 9ball ghost with NO BALL IN HAND AND I HAVE TO MAKE A BALL ON THE BREAK, IF I DONT MAKE A BALL ON THE BREAK I LOSE THAT GAME. What odds can i get playing by the game??
av84fun said:My above challenge stands. How about 1000 a set...3 set guarantee...Johnny Archer at his place if he has 4.5s or some other Atlanta local joint that does.
We both POST with Johnny to hold the stakes. I've never hung with Johnny...only said hello a couple of times but in any event, it goes without saying that you can trust him not to dump.
Johnny gets 20% which is $200.00 minimum....$600.00 maximum for a couple of hours.
I live in Nashville so would be there personally and if you can't be there, I'll phone or e-mail you after every rack.
The only condition is that we'd have to discuss and agree on the rules...no funny business--it's just that there are variations.
Regards,
Jim