Playing the ghost?
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If you play dhortstop or better then that would be a good game for you.
Let's see if you are at or about 30% break and runs in nineball, then that would be one in three, to beat the ghost in a set you would need to be at about 50%, so, given that the thirty percent is not stationary, i.e. you are going to have some longer runs than one rack in three, then you would be favored to beat the ghost a set under your stipulations about 45% of the time, so giving you three to one on the money would be in your favor by about 12%. I know lots of people that would love to go to Vegas with 62% odds.
So, no, you won't get those odds from me, at best I would give you 2-1 on the money.
Jaden.
donny mills said:
Let's see if you are at or about 30% break and runs in nineball, then that would be one in three, to beat the ghost in a set you would need to be at about 50%, so, given that the thirty percent is not stationary, i.e. you are going to have some longer runs than one rack in three, then you would be favored to beat the ghost a set under your stipulations about 45% of the time, so giving you three to one on the money would be in your favor by about 12%. I know lots of people that would love to go to Vegas with 62% odds.
So, no, you won't get those odds from me, at best I would give you 2-1 on the money.
Jaden.
Did some data on 9-ball and 10-ball a couple of weeks ago. 300 racks top level stuff. BnR were 15% at 10-ball 57% in 9-ball.
Runout from the first ball (after a safety, from the op. break, after a misset oneball etc) 34% in 10-ball and 70% in 9-ball. (Including BnR ofcourse).
Btw I win easy against 9-ball ghost (BIH) in 10-ball I dont think I win more than 35%.
I would love to see action playing the ghost.
Runout from the first ball (after a safety, from the op. break, after a misset oneball etc) 34% in 10-ball and 70% in 9-ball. (Including BnR ofcourse).
Btw I win easy against 9-ball ghost (BIH) in 10-ball I dont think I win more than 35%.
I would love to see action playing the ghost.
uwate said:
Interesting analysis. Shortstop speed has never been precisely defined so it means different things to different people.
But someone who regularly beats the 9 Ball Ghost...which means no worse that 9 out of 17...IS a shortstop AFAIC.
My guess is that guys get a notion to play some Ghost...win 4 out of 6...for example...and then conclude that they just "tortured" the Ghost.
But I I bragged that X beat Y in a race to 4, everyone would jump down my throat saying races to 4 don't mean squat...and they are right...they don't.
I mean who shoots 10 or 15 or 17 racks against the Ghost? And WHY?
Are they getting ready for the next tournamnet where you get BIH after the break even if you break dry or scracth? And does the next tour stop have a rule that safeties are not allowed?
I have always felt that Ghostball is a POOR way to rank players because it disregards:
CB control on the break shot.
Push out shooting and accepting/rejecting skills
Safties and safety escapes which pretty much takes kicking out of the loop.
Regards,
Jim
Fixer said:
Where did you get your data?
Accu-stats did some extensive numbers quite a few years ago but I think that Capelle did a more recent study and the number was around 35% for the best players in the world.
So, I gotta conclude that 57% is not a statistically sound number.
Regards,
Jim
wow this a really a great thread , playing the ghost is something im gonna sart doing myself to see how i fair
dave sutton
Banned
the ghost always wins. a friend of mine used to bet the ghost just for action. he would make a game with weight if needed. he came out on top more then not
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av84fun said:
if there is a scratch on the break do the balls get spotted?
You can add in your own variations to this match. The ghost won't complain 
Safety play is a large part of 9-ball and 10-ball. You can play the ghost all night and it won't increase your level of safety play the slightest. The reason is obvious...you don't practice the shots, you don't get any better at them.
I need all the practice I can get, and that includes safeties. So when I play the ghost I add a rule.
You can attempt a safety if necessary, which under the normal rules would result in a win for the ghost. I change this rule. If I make a successful safety, I take BIH and continue the runout. This is operating under the assumption that you locked the ghost up and he fouled giving you BIH. If you leave an open shot chalk it up as a loss.
You might not want to use this rule if you are trying to compare your skill to other players. But if you are like me, and use this as a method to improve your game, it helps to be able to attempt safeties.
Safety play is a large part of 9-ball and 10-ball. You can play the ghost all night and it won't increase your level of safety play the slightest. The reason is obvious...you don't practice the shots, you don't get any better at them.
I need all the practice I can get, and that includes safeties. So when I play the ghost I add a rule.
You can attempt a safety if necessary, which under the normal rules would result in a win for the ghost. I change this rule. If I make a successful safety, I take BIH and continue the runout. This is operating under the assumption that you locked the ghost up and he fouled giving you BIH. If you leave an open shot chalk it up as a loss.
You might not want to use this rule if you are trying to compare your skill to other players. But if you are like me, and use this as a method to improve your game, it helps to be able to attempt safeties.
Come down here and lets do it now, if you lose i'll pay your way home and food.Southpaw said:
I might try that in about 70 years.
donny mills said:
Were do you live...roughly?
2-1 is a bet...assuming you have to make a legal shot on the break.... and if you win...and can show me some sporty safety/kick/bank play afterwards, I might throw you some sponsorship or Calcutta $$.
(-:
Jim
PS: Rack your own but subject to my approval...NO spaces and the rack is not offset. CB fouls.
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av84fun said:
what happened?
Uh ok. Fly on over. 3-1 on money by the game.deadwhak said: