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Hal said:
Marijuana, weed, pot, bud, grass, reefer.
Playing Under the Influence
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Marijuana, weed, pot, bud, grass, reefer.
Secaucus Fats
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I like a couple of tokes from this:
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hippiepool
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it is something that players use when they go outside to check the air pressure in they're tires during league or a tournament...Hal said:
Sore_Aintya said:Yea, but the only thing Meth will help you at is losing 100lbs you don't have to spare. Rotting yer teeth out of yer head. Making you age 20 years for every 1. Endangering everyone around you. The list goes on and on.
I have a guy across the street from me that is a Meth dealer. I have called the county drug task force on him countless times. Nothing is ever done, and I'm worrying about the day he pisses off some crazed junkie and they come shoot up his house and one of my daughters catch a stray bullet.
I live in a small hick town though and everybody seems to be related. I share a property line with one of the towns police officers and have mention it to him many times as well. His general reply is usually something along the lines on how nice my yard looks!
Since you touched on my pet project of ending drug prohibition, I'll offer a few facts.
First off the meth epidemic is a hysterical exaggeration by America's dimwitted drug crusaders. see — http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v06/n789/a01.html?201 and http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/3974419.html
Speed has been around for decades and never caused much trouble UNTIL America's drug warriors needed a new drug to scare the public.
Perhaps you have forgotten the "crack epidemic" which turned out to be a total fraud— there were never any "crack babies!" Dr Ira Chasnoff, the originator of the "crack baby" myth, was forced to abandon his crack theories when he could not distinguish premature babies or babies suffering malnutrition from so-called "crack babies."
The long-term problems predicted for crack babies never materialized, but the crusade against crack and the mandatory minimum sentences enacted destroyed thousands of families all the same. (see— Should the amphetamines be prohibited? http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/cu/cu40.htm)
The crack inquisition was used to fill America's prisons with nonviolent drug users— if you wonder why schools do not have computers for every student, band instruments for all or the latest text books chalk it up to the $30,000+/yr/prisoner spent on an insane drug war.
The real dangers of meth are multiplied by drug prohibition.
The most dangerous drug by any reckoning is alcohol, which easily kills 15 times as many people as all illegal drugs.
You won't have to worry about turf wars over drugs killing your family once we end drug prohibition, because there was no such thing as "drug crime" when addicts could buy all of the heroin, cocaine and anything else they wanted cheaply and legally at the corner pharmacy. In those days a heroin habit cost less than a tobacco addiction to maintain.
The blood guilt for every single "accidental overdose" rests squarely on the shoulders of America's drug crusaders because history shows no "opiate poisionings" until after the drugs were outlawed.
"Drug deaths" are far more likely in a prohibition setting so the prohibitionists are responsible for thousands of deaths where there would only be a handful in a legal market.
Like Alcohol Prohibition, America's drug crusade is just plain stupid and totally counterproductive.
Prohibition is like spitting on the chalk and then complaining about a bad tip on the cue.
Bibleman
Bibleman said:
Great, informative, knowledgeable post. Thanks for your input. The one thing I want to bring out is that you mention is what I put into bold text.
The other is that you are already talking about very fine shooters playing well under the influence. The misconception is that these players are playing at a higher level than if they were stone sober; my point is that I doubt it.
Take it from a D- player; Your level of play only diminishes when you drink or drug. Sure it may mask or hide a deficiency in your mental game, but as said this will catch up with you. These players mentioned could probably overcome just about anything and still come out on top. Most of us don't have that luxury.
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Long term addiction can be harmful to your health, but in the short run drugs can enhance performance. Alcohol is a good example. Most players, if they drink, shoot better after a beer or two. It relaxes them, calms nerves etc.
Of course, if the shooter gets snockered, like Ralph Greenleaf often did, his/her level of play is likely to decline substantially. Greenleaf was a remarkable exception because he could get very drunk and still play world class pool. Until it caught up with him. Eventually the boozing took such a toll that Greenleaf couldn't beat any top player. But it took 15 years to get there.
In the long term many players suffer for their alcoholism and drug addictions.
Getting the law involved in drug use is counterproductive.
Gregg said:
Long term addiction can be harmful to your health, but in the short run drugs can enhance performance. Alcohol is a good example. Most players, if they drink, shoot better after a beer or two. It relaxes them, calms nerves etc.
Of course, if the shooter gets snockered, like Ralph Greenleaf often did, his/her level of play is likely to decline substantially. Greenleaf was a remarkable exception because he could get very drunk and still play world class pool. Until it caught up with him. Eventually the boozing took such a toll that Greenleaf couldn't beat any top player. But it took 15 years to get there.
In the long term many players suffer for their alcoholism and drug addictions.
Getting the law involved in drug use is counterproductive.
Practice, fun, and cheap games I will drink a little. Tournaments, I dont drink at all.
Bibleman said:
Trying to justify meth use by some half brained crack pots "statistics" doesn't help your cause, or the fact that it IS illegal.
Saying the "meth epidemic is a hysterical exaggeration" is a slight stretch, that and a few other of your comments really make it sound like you have a agenda. Which is fine, just keep it away from me and out of my neighborhood.
Ive always been a firm believer that a person is entitled to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't affect me, my family or theirs. Want to shoot smack in your arm until you pass out? Fine, knock yourself out, but before you do, please make sure your bills are paid, kids are fed and taken care of and you are not endangering those around you.
The sad fact though is that many people don't do just that. Some would rob their grandmother to get that next high. Want to blame that on prohibition? Fine, that's your right, just doesn't make it true.
The natural way to go!
100% "on the natch"!
100% "on the natch"!
Sore_Aintya said:
When was the last time you heard of someone robbing in order to get their next cigarette or cup of coffee?
Nicotine and caffeine are just as addictive as the illegal stuff. If it weren't the drug laws causing violence, you would see violence connected to all addictive substances, not just the illegal ones.
trippin' I couldnt pot a thing
stoned, everyone was mellow and enjoying,
dunno if we played any better but the lights were brighter and the music louder....
drunk, just like everyone else, we thought we were great but probably weren't,
stone cold sober, just another day in the office....
Now I like to be on the same wavelength as others playing, most are straight straight shooters though on the weekend I'll drink bottles of beer and play because at the end of the day, I'm a social player and its recreational not fanatical...
stoned, everyone was mellow and enjoying,
dunno if we played any better but the lights were brighter and the music louder....
drunk, just like everyone else, we thought we were great but probably weren't,
stone cold sober, just another day in the office....
Now I like to be on the same wavelength as others playing, most are straight straight shooters though on the weekend I'll drink bottles of beer and play because at the end of the day, I'm a social player and its recreational not fanatical...
short convoluted answer!
cannibis is the plant containing the (really) active ingredient tetrahydracannibinol(sp?) sometimes found in the past(1971) in highschool chemistry books as an illustration of interest to the fledging chemistry student. sometimes used as a medicinal supplement, sometimes used as, hmm what was my reasoning in those years? i forgot! we used it a lot though in hemphill,ky(a real place).
cannibis is the plant containing the (really) active ingredient tetrahydracannibinol(sp?) sometimes found in the past(1971) in highschool chemistry books as an illustration of interest to the fledging chemistry student. sometimes used as a medicinal supplement, sometimes used as, hmm what was my reasoning in those years? i forgot! we used it a lot though in hemphill,ky(a real place).
Hal said:
Seems like I know way more people who like to smoke some weed and play than I do people who like to play sober.
Ive tried it out and I play better sober. I can hit moments of dead punch intoxicated, the real problem is sustaining that gear for any amount of time.
Ive tried it out and I play better sober. I can hit moments of dead punch intoxicated, the real problem is sustaining that gear for any amount of time.
Chris said:
My cigarettes and coffee don't have the same mind altering effects on me as say a 5th of jack or a big fat hooter.
Another argument is that the countries that have legalized the substances that are illegal here (pot, meth, heroin, etc.) have substantially less users and crime. There is no valid reason for the drug war. We all suffer because of it, including you and your neighborhood.
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Shoebat
i naturally have trouble concentrating and caring anyway, but pot and alcohol make it pretty impossible. so i don't do either. never tried the others (i figure i'd like them too much).
but i need my caffeine and nicotine. and some mornings i think i really could kill someone if i don't get a cigarette and some coffee.
but i need my caffeine and nicotine. and some mornings i think i really could kill someone if i don't get a cigarette and some coffee.
nadda
I Play under the infulence of NOTHING ... lol but i dont play very well mabye i should try booze
I Play under the infulence of NOTHING ... lol but i dont play very well mabye i should try booze
Sore_Aintya said:
Personally I think meth is a dangerous drug, but prohibition makes matters many many times worse.
History is clear that there was no such thing as "drug crime" before we had drug laws because the effects of drugs do not cause crime or violence.
Drug use is associated with crime and violence because drugs are illegal. A 1994 US Department of Justice study revealed that "Illegal drugs and violence are linked primarily through drug marketing: disputes among rival distributors, arguments and robberies involving buyers and sellers, property crimes committed to raise drug money and, more speculatively, social and economic interactions between the illegal markets and the surrounding communities. .... alcohol is the only [psychoactive substance] whose consumption has been shown to commonly increase aggression" (see: Psychoactive Substances and Violence, US Dept. of Justice, by Jeffrey A. Roth at: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/GOVPUBS/psycviol.htm)
Drug crime is caused by forcing addicts into a criminal black market where their drugs cost many times their free market value. Prohibition inflated drug prices make dealers rich and drive addicts to crime.
Bibleman