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gonzy; I think what might of helped someone to help you, is to show the shots you missed, not all the one's you made, to evaluate if you shot the wrong shot, shot it the wrong way, etc. All We see hear is you making billiards, how can someone crirtique your play.
My name is Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion", I live in FL, I also give lessons on 3 Cushion, you may PM me if you are interested.
Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"
 
I agree with mr3cushion. The only thing I see are some minor fundamentals concerns ie no pause and tendency to stand up. Other than that your scoring ability is World Class. I didn't see one miss.

If you want to improve your game you need to do the tedious work of setting up certain shots and shooting them over and over till mastered. Knocking the balls around is the long road to improving. Remember to mark the ball positions so the next shot is exactly the same as before.

Master your short angle shots
Master your 5 rail
Master the plus 2
Master the 5 system
Learn the adjustments to all above.
Also have a set of test shots for all the above to test an unfamiliar table.

I might suggest you learn how to clock the CB using 2 hits. 1/2 ball and thin hits which I call taking a tangent line. The first step is to calibrate your english so you know EXACTLY where to contact the CB to send it Exactly to a specific point.
 
gonzy11 said:
I've been playing 3C on and off for many years and really love the game, but my game never gets better with time. May be a lot of things I'm doing wrong, maybe just a few. I'll graciously take any pointers or ideas to improve my game. Thanks in advance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w5fA4W7XqQ
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Yeah, it's edited to show only the shots you made. What kind of critique are you looking for? This seems more like a "Look what I can do" video than a "What am I doing wrong" one.
MULLY
 
I'm a young 3C player so take my thoughts only after considering the source.

I watched about 5 minutes of your session and recognized every pattern I saw. What I mean to say is that from what I saw, you are scoring on the shots where you should score. How are you doing when the leave is brutal?

Study what you don't know. Speaking for myself, I hate to fail, and I hate to have others see me fail and I don't want to be reminded of my failure. But when I am trying to improve, my area of weakness, fear and failure is where I try to live.

I saw you shoot a good cross table, and before it, a touchy short angle with speed control. Nobody starts off with a feel for those shots but you confronted your inability to develop a successful result. Just keep doing it. Ask yourself what you want to change, specifically, and work it until you are there.

If nothing else, I have seen from my beginning stages that humble learns.

Mully may be onto something, perhaps a good exercise would be to edit out all the points and post the misses only. If not for the forum, certainly for yourself. Painful to watch, even moreso to share, but useful to see in my opinion.
 
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Drawman623 said:
Speaking for myself, I hate to fail, and I hate to have others see me fail and I don't want to be reminded of my failure. But when I am trying to improve, my area of weakness, fear and failure is where I try to live.
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:scratchhead:
So you fear faliure?
Because on this quote, you are telling me exactly that. Well suck it up, princess, we ALL fail one way or another. It's how we become resilient to failiure; coming back, giving more effort than we can bare while restraining our psychological emotion and physical pain, is what separates a champion from a chump. Champions do not always win... it's their attitude by either winning or losing that gives it away as well as having the love for the game.

Perfect example of a real champ: Raymond Ceulemans.

Perfectionist are for self-deriving suckers.
Sorry for being brutially honest, but these are my 2 cents. :cool:
 
.- Gonzy, for starters your follow-through sucks, you don't keep it.

The vast majority of the shots you show in your video were natural, basic 3-C caroms.

You don't show the ones you missed.

The "tiny" difference between someone like me and Jaspers, Sanchez, Caudron, Blomdahl, etc. is that they also know how to make (and practice too) the non natural, the hard, the very hard and the plain almost impossible shots.

In other words, the ones you missed, I guess.

They also know how to position the balls for the next shot.


Man, if I were only to show the points I make, I'd look a better player than anyone.
 
SlickRick_PCS said:
:scratchhead:

Perfect example of a real champ: Raymond Ceulemans.
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Mr. Ceulemans or should I say Lord Ceulemans is in fact a Champion of Champions.

He beat everyone in the world, soundly for decades. So superior to the rest they had to change the game. They went from 50 point games to 15 and 25. All along the young bloods studied him and soon became a real consistent threat. What did Raymond do? He simply raised his game and won the World one last time.

If you fear failure just think for a moment what it would be like to be the best there ever was. Then the alligators start biting at your heals.
 
Like in any Billard Game: without good fundamentals you ll be lost someday- search for an excellent instructor to work on your fundamentals (especially stroke) and he ll be able to show u many things/pattern after u re ok with the fundamentals. 3c especially is extremly hard to play on a high-lvl if u didn t play the technical disciplines before (i don t say there s no way- it s just harder!! ).
gl finding a good 3c insctructor :)

lg

ingo
 
SlickRick_PCS said:
:scratchhead:
So you fear faliure?
Because on this quote, you are telling me exactly that. Well suck it up, princess, we ALL fail one way or another. It's how we become resilient to failiure; coming back, giving more effort than we can bare while restraining our psychological emotion and physical pain, is what separates a champion from a chump. Champions do not always win... it's their attitude by either winning or losing that gives it away as well as having the love for the game.

Perfect example of a real champ: Raymond Ceulemans.

Perfectionist are for self-deriving suckers.
Sorry for being brutially honest, but these are my 2 cents. :cool:
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I do fear failure. My advise was to confront those feelings of dread and work through them. I was telling this poster he can do it. I was offering an example of another player who may have even bigger issues than he does. It seamed to me, based on his having editing out his misses, that he didn't want others to see his misses (failures). I thought he might relate to my remarks. I made myself vulnerable in an effort to help a fellow student of the game.

It seems like you resent that. I didn't choose to feel this way, nor am I proud of it...but I am man enough to admit the truth. Despite this character flaw, I press on to confront my fears and to try and get better by conquering them.

We all werent born cool, into situations that left us poised to become "real champions." I'm still working with what I've got, and who I am. Sorry it doesn't merit respect in your world.

Go find somebody else to kick sand on.
 
Drawman623 said:
I do fear failure. My advise was to confront those feelings of dread and work through them. I was telling this poster he can do it. I was offering an example of another player who may have even bigger issues than he does. It seamed to me, based on his having editing out his misses, that he didn't want others to see his misses (failures). I thought he might relate to my remarks. I made myself vulnerable in an effort to help a fellow student of the game.

It seems like you resent that. I didn't choose to feel this way, nor am I proud of it...but I am man enough to admit the truth. Despite this character flaw, I press on to confront my fears and to try and get better by conquering them.

We all werent born cool, into situations that left us poised to become "real champions." I'm still working with what I've got, and who I am. Sorry it doesn't merit respect in your world.

Go find somebody else to kick sand on.
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Listen, first of all, I can definately read that you fear faliure. You didn't need to tell me twice. Take it from a person that has lost more than he has won (playing my former game... pocket billiards). The best part of losing a game is learning from it... plain and simple. The more you lose, the more you itch to become that better player, as well as learning how to calm your nerves and REALLY learn how to win. Losing sucks, sure! Your ego goes down, your dignity isn't all there, you don't have things the way you want it, and so many other negative emotions run into your body. But seriously, f*** that. The more you lose, the more you learn.

As Confucius once said, "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." Perfectionist don't savor the second on what they are doing but they pass it just to accomplish what they suceeded. They lost their fun just to reach their goal only to realize that winning a medal, money, and sponsorships trully doesn't mean anything. It's how you enjoy the sport that really counts.
 
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3kushn said:
Mr. Ceulemans or should I say Lord Ceulemans is in fact a Champion of Champions.

He beat everyone in the world, soundly for decades. So superior to the rest they had to change the game. They went from 50 point games to 15 and 25. All along the young bloods studied him and soon became a real consistent threat. What did Raymond do? He simply raised his game and won the World one last time.

If you fear failure just think for a moment what it would be like to be the best there ever was. Then the alligators start biting at your heals.
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Haha, you know it! :grin:

You have to admit, 3kushn, that you can not go wrong by looking at Lord Ceulemans' stance. I mean, he's as sturdy as a tree trunk. You send Brian Urlacher to tackle him while Mr. Ceulemans is in his carom stance, I think Urlacher's tackling toward a cement pillar... and that's not always that good.:lol: Getting out of that hillarious joke, I am a firm believer that starting from the small carom games and working up to 3-cushion is the way to go, plain and simple. This is why I really enjoy carom. As Torbjorn Blomdahl said in that Carom TV interview with Charles Brown, "... the road never ends."
 
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After the living legends Ceulemans, Kobayashi, Spielmann Sen ..there is only one guy that started to create new ways in 3cushion- and thats Blohmdal. A really amazing and friendly guy. But imo Ceulemans will always be Mr. 100 :) he did so much for 3c like no other in my eyes.
 
csarda1 said:
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The "tiny" difference between someone like me and Jaspers, Sanchez, Caudron, Blomdahl, etc. is that they also know how to make (and practice too) the non natural, the hard, the very hard and the plain almost impossible shots.
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I disagree.

It's way beyond that. The difference between the top 50 or so players and more importantly, the top 10 is focus/concentration. It takes an unbelievable amount of mental energy to play this game at the penultimate level. Practice, having the shots, sure...but that's only a foundation.

Picture Tiger Woods
 
It's way beyond that. The difference between the top 50 or so players and more importantly, the top 10 is focus/concentration


.- I think you are watching too much Shaolin Kung Fu movies:eek:

While I'm not a first class player (yet), I'm close friends with some of them.

(I'm very lucky to live very nearby to two 3-C U.S. "Meccas": Doral Billiards and New Wave Billiards, both in Miami, FL)

I'm close friends to Carlos Hallon, a player once only surpassed by Sang Lee (his cousin, Frank, also an very good player, is my mentor). I've known and, of course, talked to players the size of Ramon Rodriguez (# 14 UMB)

When I ask them how can I improve my game, they all invariably gives the same advices:

1.- Learn how to make and practice the shots (specially the hard ones) several times till you can make each it at least 10 times consecutively and then do do that every day of your life.
2.- Work on your "essentials" (Stance, Stroke, Follow through, etc) till you
makes 'em BY REFLEX, automatically (that's it without even thinking about it, let alone concentrate)
3.- Learn and practice to death the several Mathematical Systems.

Yes, concentration is important in billiards, as is important in a lot of human activities.

But to a point.

And that certain quantity of concentration you need only practice will give.

Blomdahl, Caudron, etc they all have some things in common:

They all started to play at a very early age ( Sayginer at 14, Blomdahl at 5!!) and they all practice several hours a day every day of their lives (Dani Sanchez (# 2 UMB) once said that he played at least 4 hours daily)

When they stop practicing, their game goes down.

3-C Billiards is a game of skills and logic, in which practice and, mainly Know-how is more important than anything else.



And Tiger Woods?

I bet you I can mop the floor with him in a 3 cushions game, even with his "superhuman" concentration abilities.

Unless, of course he knows how to make caroms better than me.
 
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csarda1 said:
It's way beyond that. The difference between the top 50 or so players and more importantly, the top 10 is focus/concentration


.- I think you are watching too much Shaolin Kung Fu movies:eek:

While I'm not a first class player (yet), I'm close friends with some of them.

(I'm very lucky to live very nearby to two 3-C U.S. "Meccas": Doral Billiards and New Wave Billiards, both in Miami, FL)

I'm close friends to Carlos Hallon, a player once only surpassed by Sang Lee (his cousin, Frank, also an very good player, is my mentor). I've known and, of course, talked to players the size of Ramon Rodriguez (# 14 UMB)

When I ask them how can I improve my game, they all invariably gives the same advices:

1.- Learn how to make and practice the shots (specially the hard ones) several times till you can make each it at least 10 times consecutively and then do do that every day of your life.
2.- Work on your "essentials" (Stance, Stroke, Follow through, etc) till you
makes 'em BY REFLEX, automatically (that's it without even thinking about it, let alone concentrate)
3.- Learn and practice to death the several Mathematical Systems.

Yes, concentration is important in billiards, as is important in a lot of human activities.

But to a point.

And that certain quantity of concentration you need only practice will give.

Blomdahl, Caudron, etc they all have some things in common:

They all started to play at a very early age ( Sayginer at 14, Blomdahl at 5!!) and they all practice several hours a day every day of their lives (Dani Sanchez (# 2 UMB) once said that he played at least 4 hours daily)

When they stop practicing, their game goes down.

3-C Billiards is a game of skills and logic, in which practice and, mainly Know-how is more important than anything else.



And Tiger Woods?

I bet you I can mop the floor with him in a 3 cushions game, even with his "superhuman" concentration abilities.

Unless, of course he knows how to make caroms better than me.
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Csarda1.........
with all due respect (and no offense taken), but you sound incredably arrogant. You type about how much you are as good as you say you are, how you are close friends with the best, and how you are such an addict.

LOL, here's the catch:
If you are as good as you claim to be, that's fine! I respect that. But don't go around boasting this towards those that either want to learn the game or know in itself. If you're not as good as you expect yourself to be (i.e. while I am not a first class player (yet)) then my quesiton to you is: Why are you typing this when you are not in the stature that you only claim to be? Shouldn't you be with those higher class players preparing for the next USBA event? I don't know you personally, but I believe all of your advice has been pretty good, but your arrogance has showed me that your ego says otherwise. I NEED you to continue posting great advice... just not the fact that you know these people and that you're the top dog. If I were to ever know Ceulemans, Caudron, Blomdahl, and any high caliber carom star, I could simply care less of their status; they're just people to me... friends. If they offer me advice, I take it without question and vice-versa.

Just my imput here... (if it seems offensive... don't take it personally)
 
"You type about how much you are as good as you say you are"

"If you are as good as you claim to be"

you're the top dog"


.- Where did I said that??

Where did I say I was EVEN a competent player??

Please SHOW ME.

Cause I can beat TIGER WOODS in a 3-C game??

OH please! You didn't get it, did you???

ANY 3-C PLAYER I KNOW could beat Tiger Woods in a 3-C game, simply because (I suppose) Tiger Woods... ....IS NOT a 3-C player!!!!!!!!

I think I can also beat Mike Tyson, Pele and even Britney Spears in a 3-C game.

I said that just to illustrate (or at least try) that even with superhuman concentration, if you don't have skills and know-how, you are nothing.





they're just people to me... friends

And that's what they just are to me... ...friends... ..and mentors... ....Did I say something else??

I also know very well the President of the company I work for... ...does that makes President too??



If I were to ever know Ceulemans, Caudron, Blomdahl, and any high caliber carom star, I could simply care less of their status

.- They are GREAT players and they deserve admration and respect. If I were to ever know them, It would be an Honor.


if it seems offensive... don't take it personally


.- No, is not offensive, it's CONFUSING.
 
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csarda1 said:
"You type about how much you are as good as you say you are"

"If you are as good as you claim to be"

you're the top dog"


.- Where did I said that??

Where did I say I was EVEN a competent player??

Please SHOW ME.

Cause I can beat TIGER WOODS in a 3-C game??

OH please! You didn't get it, did you???

ANY 3-C PLAYER I KNOW could beat Tiger Woods in a 3-C game, simply because (I suppose) Tiger Woods... ....IS NOT a 3-C player!!!!!!!!

I think I can also beat Mike Tyson, Pele and even Britney Spears in a 3-C game.

I said that just to illustrate (or at least try) that even with superhuman concentration, if you don't have skills and know-how, you are nothing.





they're just people to me... friends

And that's what they just are to me... ...friends... ..and mentors... ....Did I say something else??

I also know very well the President of the company I work for... ...does that makes President too??



If I were to ever know Ceulemans, Caudron, Blomdahl, and any high caliber carom star, I could simply care less of their status

.- They are GREAT players and they deserve admration and respect. If I were to ever know them, It would be an Honor.


if it seems offensive... don't take it personally


.- No, is not offensive, it's CONFUSING.
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It's called "reading between the lines"! What you type can pretty much interpret as a double meaning. That's what I mean. Just because it is "there" doesn't always means that it is concrete. What you put can also mean something else. If it does seem confusing, then I am doing my job. You should read that post of yours again and think if you were another person. In your eyes, you might seem as if you're on the right; on the other hand, to another, it might sound quite elitist.

Sorry, that's what college does. It makes me dumber. :rolleyes:
 
It's called "reading between the lines"! What you type can pretty much interpret as a double meaning.

.- OK Please do show what's "between the lines"


That's what I mean. Just because it is "there" doesn't always means that it is concrete.


.- There is also something called "Subjective perception" which is purely personal.



What you put can also mean something else

.- What did I write tha can mean something else? Please, SHOW

PLEASE.





If it does seem confusing, then I am doing my job.

.- Most of the times RED is simply RED, that's it
It does seem confusing simply because it's confusing, maybe because you are confused.

Nothing more.




You should read that post of yours again and think if you were another person. In your eyes, you might seem as if you're on the right; on the other hand, to another, it might sound quite elitist.


.- And yet you can't show me what did I write that might sound "quite elitist"...

Your response was just a subjective impression created by yourself only, based on your own personal concept of "what is right".

And that, my friend, is not my responsibility
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