Please help I D this cue.

Liminted

WildWing said:
The butt cap and bumper is so close, that's what did it for me too, at first. I've noted the differences. With the linen, the first picture of it looks like linen, but the others look synthetic. But that could be because it's been polished. You can do some funny things with linen.

This is an interesting one.

All the best,
WW
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I noticed the linen too, I have seen one mali that the linen fell off. what ever that means ........

I am not sold on the cue in question that is a Mali ...
 
I am pretty certain that is a "cheap" synthetic wrap, typical of many imports. Could be wrong, but I really don't think so. It isn't so much the finish that tells me (though that is part of it) but it is more the spec pattern which is very typical of such synthetics and not really seen in linens.

Though the butt cap and bumper are very similar to Mali, other cues besides Mali, particularly imports, have used that butt cap shape and material as well as that bumper. In fact I believe I have a couple of examples of imports with that butt cap and bumper.

It would be nice to see under that bumper though.

I am familiar with some imports using that joint ring work, but I don't remember seeing it on a Mali. And it does not appear in any of my picture files. And I really to think those white rings in the butt sleeve are plastic. Mali did some cues later that had plastic rings in the butt sleeve but not in the era of this cue if it is a Mali.

Additionally, I have an M-13 as well as two other Mali green label cues so I have cues to compare and I am not convinced at all that the posted cue is a Mali.




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Plastic butt cap

Chopdoc said:
I am pretty certain that is a "cheap" synthetic wrap, typical of many imports. Could be wrong, but I really don't think so. It isn't so much the finish that tells me (though that is part of it) but it is more the spec pattern which is very typical of such synthetics and not really seen in linens.

Though the butt cap and bumper are very similar to Mali, other cues besides Mali, particularly imports, have used that butt cap shape and material as well as that bumper. In fact I believe I have a couple of examples of imports with that butt cap and bumper.

It would be nice to see under that bumper though.

I am familiar with some imports using that joint ring work, but I don't remember seeing it on a Mali. And it does not appear in any of my picture files. And I really to think those white rings in the butt sleeve are plastic. Mali did some cues later that had plastic rings in the butt sleeve but not in the era of this cue if it is a Mali.

Additionally, I have an M-13 as well as two other Mali green label cues so I have cues to compare and I am not convinced at all that the posted cue is a Mali.




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I am cutting the white plastic butt cap off of the Mali I own and doing all deer and elk antler joints and butt cap ,

I could put my mali butt cap on the OP's cue and make it a mali :thumbup:
 
Capraycorn1 said:
There's a Mali on Ebay right now.....notice the collar and the rings are different than the OP cue...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1978-Mali-Pool-Cue-Excellent-condition-/301987726299?#description
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Yup, saw that right after it was posted. It's an M-14.

It is advertised as "heirloom" grade, but it's been refinished, which degraded the value, especially since the logo was lost. In addition you can see a flaw in the refinish near the top of the butt cap and the edge of the butt cap was rounded off some when the work was done. More than likely the cue saw a bit of use which led to the refinish and re-contour of the butt cap.

I have an M-13 of that era. Mine is mint, not refinished like this one. The earlier ones like mine and that cue have a brass joint collar and pin instead of stainless like the later ones. I believe that change came around 80/81.

Clearly, the cue posted in this thread is different enough to say it is not an M-14.



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Oh....what the heck. Here's my M-13:


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Very minty! :thumbup:


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I think Doc has it right. The post is very close to a Mali, but isn't. A few significant differences.

All the best,
WW
 
I also noticed that the original Mali bumpers are a bit less bulbous. They aren't a hemisphere so much and appear a little more blunted as you can see on my M-13 cue.

I have a couple imports with similar bumpers but they look more like the one this thread is about than they do the ones on my Mali cues.







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Right on the bumpers, stock are low profile, most I see now have aftermarket bumpers that are more spherical. Notice the bumpers on the two top cues in this picture.

The picture is four that I have, 3 are ebay/pawn finds. The '15 on the top I purchased last year. There are pics all over the net of this exact cue; not sure if it's had multiple owners or if the previously posted pictures are just the easiest to grab off the 'net when you need a picture. It was represented as original when I bought it, but it only takes one episode of Sesame Street to know one of these things is not like the others. OK resto, but I wish they'd used different linen and not put the finish over the linen. That cue will probably be on the market once I get the other one tuned up.

Restoration being worked out for the other 3 today. Again, I don't like the finish over the wrap but love these old Mali's.


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Very nice.


Thank you for providing more cues for comparison. And thank you for the observations.


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Edit: By the way, my M-13 is very original. Hardly used in fact as far as I can tell. And the wrap is luxurious, very well done, and no clear over it. I can only imagine it was ordered this way. Are you aware of these cues without clear finish on the wrap? How unusual is it? Do you know?


Also: Mine has the brass collar and pin. Hard to see in your pics, I am curious if yours are brass or stainless.



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I also noticed in the OP cue that there are turning marks on the butt cap.

I have not seen those marks on Mali cues of this era. They are simply more finely finished.

One could, I suppose, explain that by saying that the same work that removed the logo left those turning marks. I am not sure how I could refute that. But I still don't think it's a Mali anyway.

I would, by the way, love to be proven wrong I think. It would be cool to discover an "obscure" Mali.



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