New cushions properly cut/faced. Hell, that top cushion is as rounded as some some snooker pockets i've seen.
Pocket Advice, please
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Ever seen a rounded pocket like that on a factory set-up?? Somebody re-did them and not very well.
By looking at it!
You don't need extensions unless you want to tighten them. Some people actually just want to enjoy making balls and not getting tortured by too-snug pockets. That's why the factory set-up was they way it was, so customers would have fun and come back.
Yes and no. The subrail needs to be extended to properly recut the pockets even if the customer wants the stock 5" pockets. Those pockets were either butchered by an unqualified "mechanic" or there's something going on with the wood.
Most of these old Brunswick commercial tables have spent 50, or 60 years in a pool room getting their pocket facings hammered by dudes that just try to shoot all shots at break speed. You guys know who I'm talking about. Over time this is catastrophic to the subrail mitre of those pockets, so if Brunswick originally cut those miters to 141 degrees, there is no telling what the mushroomed facings are now. It almost appears the one pocket in the pic is close to 150, and rounded like a snooker pocket. The only way to fix that is make a clean cut on the subrail mitre, and splice in wood, then recut to the proper angle, but...and the big but here, what does the subrail look like in general. My bet is that it's stapled out from years of cloth changes, so therefore it probably needs the entire subrail cut off and replaced, then at that point you can cut the pocket miters to the proper angles.
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Yes - I know where to measure a pocket. It might be the picture itself (OP's) but at the shelf, it looks tighter. Mine looks similar but in "real life" it's looks bigger. Typical GC1 stuff - I'll eventually get with Trent to tighten me up, look at the rubber and update the table. I've got a hundred home improvements needing my $$ so in the meantime I can feel like a Pro.Those are buckets. You don't measure pocket tightness at the throat of the pocket. I bet those are 5.5"+ wide at the points. By comparision:
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The pockets in the left (OP) are at least 2-3 degrees wider.
Agreed, an abvious difference there.
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Johnny, me too. I have them on two corners, a tad noisy with a solid shot, but I love the look! Perfect chalk holders too!
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Those ashtray inserts are as rare as hen's teeth. I bet you could sell them for close to what a table costs!
Looks pretty good! Although the angles looks like you are a bit over the the 141 spec. Ironically in some cases where the angles get too far out of specs it almost acts like tightening pockets because at some angles if the OB contacts the facing, even at medium speed, the facing angle will kick the ball out of the throat. It really makes pockets a different target size depending the angle of the shot, and the objective is to make a pocket fair, somewhat same target size, no matter what angle. I don't mind tight pockets, but they need to be fair and with the same target size throughout all angles of a shot. I know that objective is impossible to achieve, but should be within reason. I had one pocket on my Anniversary that was like that, used to drive me nuts. It almost makes you want to snap a cue like Bo Jackson would snap ball bats. It's a good thing cues cost a bit more than baseball bats, or else I'd have some kindling laying around for a fire starter.Here’s my unmolested buckets, they still reject a few balls, but that’s all down to my lack of skill!!
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The major problem with this pockets are the rounded facing, these curves occur with time and they will cause balls to be spit out, even if you hit a ball perfectly if its near the rail and a long shot, the pocket can spit it out due to these rounded facings.
I know because I have the same as these exactly and they make the pocket more difficult than 3.8 inch pockets, and I'm keeping it, i didnt change it, I dont know if its bad or good for me, but I wanted my pocket to be more difficult so i kept it.
in this case trust me the size of pocket doesn't matter, these pocket he has will seem tougher than any diamond you will play on.
I know because I have the same as these exactly and they make the pocket more difficult than 3.8 inch pockets, and I'm keeping it, i didnt change it, I dont know if its bad or good for me, but I wanted my pocket to be more difficult so i kept it.
in this case trust me the size of pocket doesn't matter, these pocket he has will seem tougher than any diamond you will play on.
Those are buckets. You don't measure pocket tightness at the throat of the pocket. I bet those are 5.5"+ wide at the points. By comparision:
His buckets are tougher than your pocket believe it or not, due to the rounded facing, pocket size will be irrelevent if you try his pockets compared to yours in the picture here.
I totally agree! Having experienced this myself playing enough snooker and also with a table with pockets too far out of specs. Just like I was saying in my previous post, it will effectively tighten a pocket on balls shot in at much of an angle. It will make you want to pull some hair out.