Pocket Advice, please

[rexus31]

The very first post shows two balls frozen together in the pocket without falling. Old Gold Crown pockets will let both balls fall into the pocket easily. So it has been shimmed or modified to tighten them up.

Incorrect. As I pointed out in a previous post, pocket size is measured at the mouth of the pocket (point to point) not at the throat. The table in question is not "tight". On most tables, two balls will not pass the throat of the pocket unless the pockets are 6"+ (at the mouth).

 

[rexus31]

Any updates from the OP or joe pizzuto?

 

[cueman]

Incorrect. As I pointed out in a previous post, pocket size is measured at the mouth of the pocket (point to point) not at the throat. The table in question is not "tight". On most tables, two balls will not pass the throat of the pocket unless the pockets are 6"+ (at the mouth).

I guess we can agree to disagree. Most 1960s tables would allow two balls to fall into the pocket at the same time. That is 4.5 or larger at the back of the pocket. Two balls not being able to fall is a 1990s to 2000s thing.

 

[rexus31]

I guess we can agree to disagree. Most 1960s tables would allow two balls to fall into the pocket at the same time. That is 4.5 or larger at the back of the pocket. Two balls not being able to fall is a 1990s to 2000s thing.

Agree to disagree.

 

[jviss]

I guess we can agree to disagree. Most 1960s tables would allow two balls to fall into the pocket at the same time. That is 4.5 or larger at the back of the pocket. Two balls not being able to fall is a 1990s to 2000s thing.

That is not my understanding; I guess you'd have to define "most." I have what I believe is a "stock" Gold Crown I, circa 1962. The throat measurement is 4.22" on average. If you look at the other two GC I's listed in the TDF thread, you'll see throats of 4.00" and 4.125". So, none of them are wide enough to admit two balls simultaneously.

 

[garczar]

That i snot my understanding; I guess you'd have to define "most." I have what I believe is a "stock" Gold Crown I, circa 1962. The throat measurement is 4.22 on average. If you look at the other two GC I's listed in the TDF thread, you'll see throats of 4.00" and 4.125". So, none of them are wide enough to admit two balls simultaneously.

I grew up playing in a post-'Hustler' recreation billiard center. All tables(30) were GC1's with factory specs. Two balls would pass the points at the mouth but would NOT fall. They were pretty roomy but not so big that two balls would go side-by-side.

 

[Lawnboy77]

Interesting, I could be wrong, and I probably am here, but I thought 2 balls would drop side by side on a stock GC pocket. I thought all commercial Brunswick’s from that time period would have the same pocket specs. My stock 5” corners on my Anni will definitely fit 2 balls side by side at the shelf drop off. JVISS, Is that measurement that you are taking accounting for the facing down angles? Doesn’t your slate shelf terminate well before it reaches the throat measurement of 4.22?

Edit: just remembered that I have either 1/4” or 3/16” facings, so I’m slightly tighter than 5” on the corners. I think Brunswick used 1/8” facings on their old commercials.

 

[jviss]

Interesting, I could be wrong, and I probably am here, but I thought 2 balls would drop side by side on a stock GC pocket. I thought all commercial Brunswick’s from that time period would have the same pocket specs. My stock 5” corners on my Anni will definitely fit 2 balls side by side at the shelf drop off. JVISS, Is that measurement that you are taking accounting for the facing down angles? Doesn’t your slate shelf terminate well before it reaches the throat measurement of 4.22?

Edit: just remembered that I have either 1/4” or 3/16” facings, so I’m slightly tighter than 5” on the corners. I think Brunswick used 1/8” facings on their old commercials.

Hold the presses! I was mistaken. I just went into the next room to the table to make some measurements, and I found that I can slide two balls into a pocket, side by side, on ever pocket. The balls drop off the shelf before encountering the narrowest part of the cushions.

@cueman you are right, at least on my Gold Crown I.

 

[joe pizzuto]

It has never been modified. This is pure wear. The wood is perfect. New sharply cut rubber and 6.4 mm pads and it should be good. They say ( the pad manufacturer ) that should tighten it up to 4 3/4. I'll be happy. He will take a week to get the cloth. Thanks to everyone who showed interest in my table. I spray painted the plastic, yellowed, discolored skirts tonight and mixed touch-up paint for the side rails. They are that off white color. Kind of grey, really. I bought new Aramith premium balls two weeks ago. I'm stoked ! Now, if I was just good ! joe pizzuto

Incorrect. As I pointed out in a previous post, pocket size is measured at the mouth of the pocket (point to point) not at the throat. The table in question is not "tight". On most tables, two balls will not pass the throat of the pocket unless the pockets are 6"+ (at the mouth).

Any updates from the OP or joe pizzuto?

it has never been modified, what makes you think that?

 

[joe pizzuto]

I guess we can agree to disagree. Most 1960s tables would allow two balls to fall into the pocket at the same time. That is 4.5 or larger at the back of the pocket. Two balls not being able to fall is a 1990s to 2000s thing.

it is a model 6100, gold crown 1, unmodified and 2 balls do not pass. Where do these guys get their info? joe

 

[jviss]

it is a model 6100, gold crown 1, unmodified and 2 balls do not pass. Where do these guys get their info? joe

Based on my new understanding as of today, and my apparently "stock" 1962 Gold Crown I, I think that if two balls don't ass, it must have been modified. But, I've been wrong before. Try putting two balls together and pushing them straight towards center pocket together. They should drop off the shelf before they reach the end of the facings.

 

[TrevorB]

They’d fit side by side on mine, no problem. I have the original Monarch Superspeeds.

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[cueman]

Hold the presses! I was mistaken. I just went into the next room to the table to make some measurements, and I found that I can slide two balls into a pocket, side by side, on ever pocket. The balls drop off the shelf before encountering the narrowest part of the cushions.

@cueman you are right, at least on my Gold Crown I.

My gold crown 1 also will allow them to fall and every other non modifed one I have played on or helped recover back when I helped a friend recover and move pool tables in the late 80s and early 90s. As a matter of fact just about every brunswick table around back then would allow two balls to fall. At least that was the case in Georgia.

 

[joe pizzuto]

Well, we will have to agree to disagree. I'm basing my remarks on the assumption that only the facings are screwed up, and that the table is basically an original configuration GC I, which, I think, is the most likely scenario. Sure, " It's possible the subrail wood is all chewed up," but why assume this with zero evidence? Why assume the angle of the rails into the pocket have been altered?

Agreed, it's just blind speculation based on one crummy photograph, but I'm taking the tack that it was a simple mod that tightened up that pocket from a stock GC I.

Sir , you are the one who is the most correct after seeing the rail, facing , old rubber, and wood facing at the throat. New rubber and new facing will fix this. Thanks to all who wrote in. I will put a picture up when it's done

 

[rexus31]

They’d fit side by side on mine, no problem. I have the original Monarch Superspeeds.

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The throat looks to be 4.5". Pool balls are 2.25" in diameter. Simple math points to two balls not dropping simultaneously unless you force them.

 

[ideologist]

It's almost like someone tried to build up snooker pockets to play pool on. Is it a 10ft table?

 

[jviss]

The throat looks to be 4.5". Pool balls are 2.25" in diameter. Simple math points to two balls not dropping simultaneously unless you force them.

You neglect that there's a down angle on those. I bet they will drop without forcing them.

 

[rexus31]

You neglect that there's a down angle on those. I bet they will drop without forcing them.

True, but it is still 4.5" at the top meaning they are making contact with the facing, meaning they won't just "drop". They will need some amount of force to get past the touch point.

 

[HNTFSH]

The throat looks to be 4.5". Pool balls are 2.25" in diameter. Simple math points to two balls not dropping simultaneously unless you force them.

My GC1 will also pass two balls at once. No forcing. Same space as Trevor,

 

[garczar]

They’d fit side by side on mine, no problem. I have the original Monarch Superspeeds.

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Will they drop? Doesn't look like it.