1. It's not a league so we will just leave it at that.
2. I believe I stated the best players in the world should play on tougher (tighter) equipment. The "why" is pretty obvious.
Reading is fundamental.
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2. I believe I stated the best players in the world should play on tougher (tighter) equipment. The "why" is pretty obvious.
Reading is fundamental.
Leave the pockets at 4.5" and make them play on shag carpet. If I want to see misses, I'll just stay at my local room. Watching robots run out while playing on a glass table is 0.0% entertaining.
I still want to see stroke shots damnit! I want to see someone cheat an almost straight in 4' corner shot for 3 rail position at the opposite corner.
I still want to see stroke shots damnit! I want to see someone cheat an almost straight in 4' corner shot for 3 rail position at the opposite corner.
also been tried and it wasn't much of a test. and that was 15 years ago (IPT). this version of pool is also on display in pinoy pool streams almost daily, eat all you can..
Worrying about the size of the pockets is a symptom that the wrong game is being played.
Dunno what you are implying since the pockets will be the same size 6 mths from now. The only difference is the cloth
will play faster but the pocket size doesn’t change. Of course, after 6 mths. of playing with the smaller 4 1/4” CP, it will
become easier as I’ve already found after only playing on these tables for the past 5 weeks. Initially, the tables seemed
to frustrate you but after awhile, you player intelligence and familiarity sets in and you adjust for certain shots because
you gained knowledge and insight about the tables. It is almost like a home field advantage but like it is in any sport or
game, on any given day the underdog can prevail over a player with far superior skills. As far as 4 1/2” pockets, IMO,
anything larger is for beginners or a recreation center but a pool room should have a few tables that play tight for better
skilled players. If I could have any table, it would be a 6 leg early 1900’s Brunswick 10’ table with 4.5” CP. The larger playing area justifies enlarging pocket size from 4.25” to 4.5” but I still might want to try 4.25” CP on a 10’ table merely to confirm it.
We have that exact spec table in our poolroom.
That’s a world championship setup that any pro would be fairly challenged to dominate.
klikr
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you just never seem to have learned how to support a statement or standpoint with arguments. stating that pros should play on tighter equipment is just an opinion.
now explain, why. it's not as obvious as you think.
I think they shouldn't for two reasons.
1. there are already established standards
2. doing it differently reduces comparability.
I am able to read. implying I can't is rude. You also simply repeated your opinion that it's not a league. I on the other hand explained why I do think that it can be called a league.
I believe you're either dumb or a bully, or both.
Standards established by whom? The WPA? They've shown their ineptitude time and again. Matchroom is on the right path to determining standards for Professional, World Class players; believed by many. It's the best thing to happen to pro pool in decades. Amateurs compete on 4.5" equipment in many amateur events across the country. Professional, World Class players should compete on equipment that is more difficult than amateur equipment. You do not see MLB players playing on Little League fields. The equipment should be commensurate with the skillset. Bravo to Matchroom for striving towards and implementing a professional standard.
Seriously? There's not been an enforced standard for table specifications ever. It's not been unusual for professional events of the past to have tables of differing pocket geometry (at the same event) over the last several decades. Again, Matchroom is aiming to standardize professional pool which is a GREAT thing, IMO. I'm not sure why you'd like to denounce the effort but you are welcome to your perspective.
Show me where Matchroom refers to their efforts as a "league" in their press release. It's not my opinion, it's a fact.
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I'm actually none of the above but continue with the name calling, it shows your true colors. Twenty nine posts in and you are already forming a rep. Nice!
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This is perfect! I wish pool would adopt the template.
These templates are really needed in the snooker world to assist the fitter if they ever have to replace the cushion rubbers. A snooker table whose pocket cuts are off just a little bit will play terrible and look even worse.
klikr
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You're doing it again: not listing reasons why you think they should play on tighter equipment.Standards established by whom? The WPA? They've shown their ineptitude time and again. Matchroom is on the right path to determining standards for Professional, World Class players; believed by many. It's the best thing to happen to pro pool in decades. Amateurs compete on 4.5" equipment in many amateur events across the country. Professional, World Class players should compete on equipment that is more difficult than amateur equipment. You do not see MLB players playing on Little League fields. The equipment should be commensurate with the skillset. Bravo to Matchroom for striving towards and implementing a professional standard.
Seriously? There's not been an enforced standard for table specifications ever. It's not been unusual for professional events of the past to have tables of differing pocket geometry (at the same event) over the last several decades. Again, Matchroom is aiming to standardize professional pool which is a GREAT thing, IMO. I'm not sure why you'd like to denounce the effort but you are welcome to your perspective.
Show me where Matchroom refers to their efforts as a "league" in their press release. It's not my opinion, it's a fact.
WORLD NINEBALL TOUR MARKS NEW DAWN FOR POOL - Matchroom
• World Nineball Tour to provide a minimum of $3-million prize money this year • Over 40 World Nineball Tour events • 1,000 hours of live pool in 2023, from the Matchroom Majors WORLD NINEBALL TOUR SCHEDULE Matchroom Pool is proud to unveil the formulation of the World Nineball Tour marking the...
I'm actually none of the above but continue with the name calling, it shows your true colors. Twenty nine posts in and you are already forming a rep. Nice!
instead, you post another opinion, that WPA has done bad. what does that mean and what does it have to do with existing standards for playing material?
and then a comparison to children in another sport... equipment for kids is used because of lack of skill? no, it's for youngsters growing up bodywise.
quitting now, makes no sense at all.
That's what the bar did with their 7' er. They just cut the rubber longer and left out shims. Kind of a rush job but I'll take any kind of 4" er over any Valley. The regulars took to it; no problem. Well, more errors but now they have a clear idea of what pocketing means.
They need to do 4.5 inch pro cut Diamonds with worn cloth. Enough said.
The small pockets don’t allow the players to cheat pockets on forceful shots…robbing us viewers of great pool. And it turns makes Diamonds do the “Olhausen rattle”.
The brand new cloth makes the pockets “bigger” but only at pocket speed.
So, in conclusion, having 4 inch pockets with brand new cloth makes certain balls fall that shouldn’t…and certain shots hang up that shouldn’t. Exactly your gripe.
They need to change this.
A pre-Covid Derby City Diamond the last 3 days was PERFECT. It was tough, but not ridiculous, fair, level. And because the cloth was worn in, we still got to see the pros miss plenty.
The small pockets don’t allow the players to cheat pockets on forceful shots…robbing us viewers of great pool. And it turns makes Diamonds do the “Olhausen rattle”.
The brand new cloth makes the pockets “bigger” but only at pocket speed.
So, in conclusion, having 4 inch pockets with brand new cloth makes certain balls fall that shouldn’t…and certain shots hang up that shouldn’t. Exactly your gripe.
They need to change this.
A pre-Covid Derby City Diamond the last 3 days was PERFECT. It was tough, but not ridiculous, fair, level. And because the cloth was worn in, we still got to see the pros miss plenty.
I'm listening but you aren't accepting my reason. The best should play on the toughest IS the reason. Much like golf, the lower handicapped (better) players play from the back tees because it is more difficult. Professionals not only play the longest tees, but also on the toughest courses with the most difficult cup placement possible. In short, the best play on the toughest, most challenging courses. This is what Matchroom is doing with pro pool. Four and a half inch pockets on brand new, slick cloth is too easy for World Class players.
Agree to disagree, I suppose.
How do you propose wearing the cloth out prior to first round matches?
I would argue the opposite. We are seeing optimal position play. Most of the time, one is needing to cheat the pocket because they got out of line. If the cheat is no longer there (it still is to a degree even with 4" pockets) the player must play a perfect cue ball. I think we saw that all week long during the UK Open.
90% of the shots a professional player shoots are pocket speed.
4.5" pockets on new cloth allow far more shots to fall that shouldn't. We saw it at the Mosconi Cup a few years ago when they were playing on the Rasson with 4.5" pockets. Shots along the rail were hitting the 2nd diamond out and still falling.
In an event with a field of mostly short stop/amateur players (like the DCC), pockets should be 4.5", but events with fields of primarily World Class players, 4" pockets should be the norm.