Pocket Size
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See post 76 in this thread.
Freezer's Ice House 10-Ball Challenge, July 2018
Race to 8
Diamond 9-foot table with 4 1/8" corner pockets
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Break Stats -- 2018 Freezer's Ice House 10-Ball Challenge, July 2018
Here are some aggregate statistics from the 2018 Freezer's Ice House 10-Ball Challenge, played July 13-15 at Freezer's Ice House (a pool hall) in Tempe, Arizona with free streaming on YouTube by povpool. This was a 96-player, double-elimination...
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Or just keep it simple. Use Mosconi Cup play for all matches. Allow one minute after the break to shoot, 30 seconds all other shots. It would work. In combination with tight pockets, even the elite would be challenged.
Most of this discussion has been about the players. Just remember it is the spectator who pays the bills.
I'd argue not in this case. Matchroom has been paying the bills. There's not enough spectator attendance yet to make a dent in the cost of running the events.
That pocket looks like 4.25 at the opening. The centerline between the 2 balls being 4.5, where they are making contact at the points is below that center line but it's not a 1/2 inch difference.
Agree - not tighter than 4.25’
Yes it's now at 4.25 give or take. what happened was the sides ended up gaping at 5+ inches and somebody at the bar brought those in closer. You can see the new offset in the photo. Some math will give you the original aperture give or take.
FWIW, the pockets are now tougher than the original 4" apertures but still somewhat disappointing for my purposes. Be that as it may, when the table is open for solo use it's a mile better (tougher) than a factory/pro job.
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The TV table with all the lighting and new cloth?
He is right, the new cloth, the cue ball slides a little, goes farther into the pocket past the jaws.
Less likely to rattle out.
The Terminator created an amazing video showing the difference of how the rails acted with old vs new cloth. Here's the link. Very big differences in game play.
I witnessed this with my table new cloths abd rails. What is the scientific reasons for this ? My table pocket opening is 4.5-4'75 and some shots are ways harder after 3 months in than my friend old diamond with 4.5 standard ?
Ultra violet degradation of thread integrity? I think airborne dust and powder get distributed all around and mashed into the weave with homo sapiens oil. Tip chalk is probably the worst.
Obviously the aperture remains constant. Anyway as the friction increases, balls become progressively less able to careen down the funnel. Cushion contact shifts over time from slide to bite until eventually balls run into enough bite to rattle to a stop or spin themselves out of the pocket.
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Actually, doing this almost killed golf. Stretching the courses in the Tiger era really hurt the game and made it one dimensional. They are rolling the ball back to bring some balance back to the game and be able to play more courses on tour.
I'm not a golfer but haven't pro golfers always played on courses with the toughest pin spot compared to how the course is setup for amateurs?
Pro course's difficulty comes from length and rough. Courses(for all players) have six easy, six moderate, and six hard hole placements each day. Courses for Joe Public are shorter with everything else being about equal. Length is THE major diff. in pro vs. public golf. The distance modern pros get using modern balls/clubs is just insane. Back on pool imo every large room should have a couple tighter tables for better players but open the rest up for bangers. I think 4.5 would be a good all-around size even tho even that is too tight for a lot of players.
For world class tournament play, 4" should be the standard.
I got no problem with that. Problem arises when joe banger watches pool and thinks all tables should be like that. Its up to good room owners to educate the players and offer the right pocket for the right player. A good head pro at a golf course will keep the hacks off the back tees. Same rationale.
I am with 4" folks, I don't mind much about the banger type of player. It is just that the English type of players annoy me. When the pocket is larger than 4.75" the english and cueball control is funny in a way that it is annoying. But when they play on 4"25 or so, I always have good laugh watching rattles and rejects. Though, I do love watching English shots on snooker
Average/banger players are who keep rooms open, not the better players/pros. I have NO clue what you mean in your reference to 'english and cb control being funny' on bigger pockets. Some of THE BEST pool i've ever seen was back in the 90's on the Camel Tour . Almost every event used either full size or maybe 4.5" pockets. You start making the pockets too tight you turn the game into 'cinch' pool with way too many safeties. Kills the fun and essential flow of the game.