Poker Stars Fees

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PoolStars Fees

Quick question?

Based on the info below taken from PoolStars website do you think that the fees are a bit too much or are they in line?

Instead of a monthly membership fee, PoolStars takes a percentage fee from each game played based on the game's size. The fee is deducted from the pool after the buy-in is taken. The larger the amount of the buy-in, the smaller the percentage taken. Tournaments all maintain a flat 10% fee. The head-to-head single games are based on the sliding scale shown below. The fee is the same whether it is a race to five or a race to one.
Stake Fee percentage
$5 or less 10%
$5.01-$10 8%
$10.01-$25 7%
$25.01-$50 5%
All Multi-Player Tournaments 10%

They just had a money match - race to five for $5000. I guess that they take 5% from each player which means PoolStars took in $500 for that match. This seems way out of line to me.

I know they are a business and so on...... my question is what value does the ability to play pool online hold?

I mean if I compare it to a pool room then there is either hourly rates or a flat fee per game - but never a percentage of the bet (at least in 99% of places).

I just don't know that a poker style "rake" is appropriate for an activity that is heads up play.

Personally I'd like to join in the "for money" play but I find the fees to be too much as I am comparing it to what I would pay to go to a real pool hall and play for real.

Thoughts?
 
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Ironman317 said:
is this poolstars or pokerstars??
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Must be PoolStars, POkerstars rake isn't nearly that high. P0kerstars has the volume to be able to operate very profitably with much much smaller rakes... PoolStars probably doesn't have nearly enough participants to maintain operations without a huge rake.
 
My thought is that if PoolStars doesn't come off the high fees then they will never get the amount of users that they need either.
 
95% of the people playing don't even realize what the fees are.

In some poker games, you can't beat the rake.
 
watchez said:
95% of the people playing don't even realize what the fees are.

In some poker games, you can't beat the rake.
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The truth. More so live than online, unless you are playing the micros online. Its very hard to grind a roll out on Full Tilt because of the rake playing anything under 25NL. rakeback is your friend.
 
rake

on all the poker sites the higher the buy in the lower the rake its 10% on the small games but the higher the buy in the lower the percentage.And if its a heads up tourney its even lower.On pokerstars you can play a 500 heads up tourney and the rake is 20 from each guy and a 1000 tourney the rake is 30 each
 
They have a $300 buy in tournament at the Casino here.

House rake......


















$60 a player. And they still sign up.
 
I can see it for poker - both online and offline. In poker you sign up for a tournament and you are essentially in a ring game with pretty decent money at the end of it.

But a pool match - or a pool tournament online or off is heads up play and to take 5-10% of what the players are playing for is nuts in my opinion.

ESPECIALLY when they are taking it from each guy.

I just don't see the appeal for online "pool" players to pay 5-10 EACH for the privelege to play virtual pool. Virtual Poker is enough like the real thing, only missing the in-person tells, that it's no wonder why it thrives.

But seriously, pool? Doesn't this seem to be the same thing that plagues real pool halls - the better you are the less games you get - skill based in that you decide how to manipulate the cue and apply speed and spin - and you have the added knock that the more you succeed the higher you are "ranked".

I guess that it's also easier to reinvent yourself as a new account and "hustle" people.

But seriously the fees are outrageous - If I play a guy for $500 and it costs us both $25 each to play and we play two sets and break even the house gets $100? For maybe an hour of play? That's ludicrous.
 
yeah, i have to be honest. i had never heard of this, so i just went to the site and i have to say i don't see the attraction. i get playing poker online but not pool. it just seems ridiculous to me. why not just go play actual pool. and i definately wouldn't gamble on it. if i am going to gamble on pool i want to physically be able to hold a cue and sight down it and hit a real ball. i just don't see how this would ever gain a lrge following at any cost to the player.
 
in the end

JB Cases said:
I can see it for poker - both online and offline. In poker you sign up for a tournament and you are essentially in a ring game with pretty decent money at the end of it.

But a pool match - or a pool tournament online or off is heads up play and to take 5-10% of what the players are playing for is nuts in my opinion.

ESPECIALLY when they are taking it from each guy.

I just don't see the appeal for online "pool" players to pay 5-10 EACH for the privelege to play virtual pool. Virtual Poker is enough like the real thing, only missing the in-person tells, that it's no wonder why it thrives.

But seriously, pool? Doesn't this seem to be the same thing that plagues real pool halls - the better you are the less games you get - skill based in that you decide how to manipulate the cue and apply speed and spin - and you have the added knock that the more you succeed the higher you are "ranked".

I guess that it's also easier to reinvent yourself as a new account and "hustle" people.

But seriously the fees are outrageous - If I play a guy for $500 and it costs us both $25 each to play and we play two sets and break even the house gets $100? For maybe an hour of play? That's ludicrous.
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Are they charging anymore than a pool hall would charge you for a table to gamble on. If you play for small stakes at the poolhall the time is a big factor. If you play for large stakes the time isn't as much a factor unless of course you break even all the time.

I understand pool time is consistent and isn't charged as a percentage of the bet, but it really is we just never took the time to figure it out.
 
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