Poll: Have you improved in the past year?

If today, you matched up against your former self from a year ago, how would you do?


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What your brain fails to get is that rotation pool has more of a luck factor than the other pool games and cue sports. No one has a problem with races to 200 points in straight pool (which would only last 2-3 hours on average) because the best player typically wins, and even if your opponent runs 100 balls in his first inning, you can still fight back. In these silly short race 9 ball tournaments, it's nearly impossible to comeback if your opponent charges out to a decent lead.

Short rack rotation games (9 ball/10 ball) were conceived by gamblers and were typically looked down upon by the straight pool players of the day. That's not to say that rotation games aren't great games, but they need long races to make for a compelling match.

Want to see the apex of the game? Efren vs. Earl race to 120. That's real 9 ball, with players exchanging packages like boxers exchanging power punches.

Races to anything less than 13 are a contest to see who can get the most rolls and who gets hot faster. Even 13 is theoretically too short, but is a nice middle ground for tournaments.

Furthermore, endurance has always been a part of pool. You're new to the game if you think otherwise.

We don't live in that world any more, thankfully.
 
Do you want pool consigned to the history books?

The world has changed. Deal with it.

So you would be okay with your precious snooker getting reduced to one frame contests?

That game is also losing viewership, and in a decade's or two time, I see prize money falling around to pro pool levels.

Only the top 20 players can make a decent living as it is. Once Ronnie retires, snooker loses 80% of its drawing power. And now that Chinese 8 ball is the "official" and fastest growing cue sport in China, I don't see them being a viable market for snooker (and American pool) as once hoped.

So yeah, let's reduce snooker tournaments to one frame contests that last less than an hour. That'll keep the kids interested!
 
I'm 4 balls better after spending the summer playing for small $ against one of the best in my neck of the woods.
Almost everyone else took the summer off.
 
So you would be okay with your precious snooker getting reduced to one frame contests?

That game is also losing viewership, and in a decade's or two time, I see prize money falling around to pro pool levels.

Only the top 20 players can make a decent living as it is. Once Ronnie retires, snooker loses 80% of its drawing power. And now that Chinese 8 ball is the "official" and fastest growing cue sport in China, I don't see them being a viable market for snooker (and American pool) as once hoped.

So yeah, let's reduce snooker tournaments to one frame contests that last less than an hour. That'll keep the kids interested!

You may research Pot Black at your leisure.

Snooker is a faster, more fluent game than pool. This is for unknown cultural reasons - it has simply become de rigueur for pool players to bore the living shit out of their opponents and audiences. This won't change until there is a single, unified organisation in charge, one that is capable to enforcing change. It is worth noting snooker has such a body, and snooker is played on one table and to one set of rules.

As ever, and in short, snooker is professional and pool is an ongoing omnishambles.
 
So you would be okay with your precious snooker getting reduced to one frame contests?

That game is also losing viewership, and in a decade's or two time, I see prize money falling around to pro pool levels.

Only the top 20 players can make a decent living as it is. Once Ronnie retires, snooker loses 80% of its drawing power. And now that Chinese 8 ball is the "official" and fastest growing cue sport in China, I don't see them being a viable market for snooker (and American pool) as once hoped.

So yeah, let's reduce snooker tournaments to one frame contests that last less than an hour. That'll keep the kids interested!

Wrong. Judd Trump, Neil Robertson, Mark Selby and others have considerable fan bases.
 
You may research Pot Black at your leisure.

Snooker is a faster, more fluent game than pool. This is for unknown cultural reasons - it has simply become de rigueur for pool players to bore the living shit out of their opponents and audiences. This won't change until there is a single, unified organisation in charge, one that is capable to enforcing change. It is worth noting snooker has such a body, and snooker is played on one table and to one set of rules.

As ever, and in short, snooker is professional and pool is an ongoing omnishambles.

You can blame your mechanical Euro brethren for the current trend of pool players taking forever.

Watch any straight pool match from the 60s and you'll see how fast they make decisions and shoot.

Earl was being hyperbolic when he said Ralf Souqet killed pool, but the Kaiser did set a trend that all Euros have seemed to follow, with the exception of Mika.
 
Ahem......
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=...=hF5zZMA1TKgFaSuidWt7Mw&bvm=bv.99804247,d.cWw

Psst....let me know how fast and fluent this game...
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=...=8ap98bFSaFywO7QHSGw5xw&bvm=bv.99804247,d.eXY

Neither game is fast or slow....PLAYERS are fast or slow.

I was at the crucible that night, although watching the other game. Surreal atmosphere, without a sound coming from the other side of the dividing wall. Didn't know why until the following day.
 
You can blame your mechanical Euro brethren for the current trend of pool players taking forever.

Watch any straight pool match from the 60s and you'll see how fast they make decisions and shoot.

Earl was being hyperbolic when he said Ralf Souqet killed pool, but the Kaiser did set a trend that all Euros have seemed to follow, with the exception of Mika.

Don't disagree. There was a push out daz was pondering in the WPM that he'd still be thinking about today if there wasn't a stop clock.
 
Ahem......
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=...=hF5zZMA1TKgFaSuidWt7Mw&bvm=bv.99804247,d.cWw

Psst....let me know how fast and fluent this game...
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=...=8ap98bFSaFywO7QHSGw5xw&bvm=bv.99804247,d.eXY

Neither game is fast or slow....PLAYERS are fast or slow.

We know Ron's a hypocrite. If it's an English game, he'll make all the excuses in the world and summon up a great deal of cognitive dissonance to excuse flaws in his beloved home grown games that bother him in American games.

- Test Cricket. Tedium personified, with batters sometimes batting for hours and matches lasting 6-8 hours. Yet, he thinks this is a "game for men," and that baseball is more boring that one pocket.

- English 8 ball. A contest to see who can block each other's pocket more effectively over the 3 hours a match is played. Even Daz has said that American pool is so much better than English 8, yet Ron loves English 8.

- Soccer:

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Need I say more? And then the game winds up in a tie and/or ends in a free kick after a player has faked a penalty, like this:

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English "sports" :boring2:
 
English sports boring? Not to the civilised world, bub. Football is king, dwarfing all other sports, and cricket is comfortably second.

When you invent a sport the world thinks isn't showy and boring, let me know. Your sports are so dull you hold 'World Series' where only one nation bothers to turn up, and they're already there.

As for the rest of it; definite penalty, albeit ludicrously soft, barca have legitimate claims to being the greatest team in sporting history, several deaths on the cricket field this year alone, not to mention broken bones, cuts and bruises on a daily basis. You lot need gloves to catch a - get this - softball.
 
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English sports boring? Not to the civilised world, bub. Football is king, dwarfing all other sports, and cricket is comfortably second.

When you invent a sport the world thinks isn't showy and boring, let me know. Your sports are so dull you hold 'World Series' where only one nation bothers to turn up, and they're already there.

As for the rest of it; definite penalty, albeit ludicrously soft, barca have legitimate claims to being the greatest team in sporting history, several deaths on the cricket field this year alone, not to mention broken bones, cuts and bruises on a daily basis. You lot need gloves to catch a - get this - softball.

Soccer reigns because of its ridiculously low learning curve and the fact you can use a goat's head as a ball. Cricket is actually a niche sport and is only "popular" because one country of 1.2 billion people are obsessed with it. Now, granted, number of people=popularity, correct? With that logic, American football is vastly, vastly more popular than rugby, with Super Bowl ratings dwarfing the Rugby World Cup final (the 2007 Rugby World Final attracted a pathetic 33 million viewers worldwide, the Super Bowl regularly draws 100 million or more).

On a per nation basis, basketball is more popular than any English sport aside from soccer.

And your lot need a boat oar to hit 80 mph "fast balls." I already gave you the history of baseball players trying cricket, and they excel at that silly game every time, while cricket players know **** all what to do when given a bat that's much smaller than your headmaster's paddle ;)
 
Soccer reigns because of its ridiculously low learning curve and the fact you can use a goat's head as a ball. Cricket is actually a niche sport and is only "popular" because one country of 1.2 billion people are obsessed with it. Now, granted, number of people=popularity, correct? With that logic, American football is vastly, vastly more popular than rugby, with Super Bowl ratings dwarfing the Rugby World Cup final (the 2007 Rugby World Final attracted a pathetic 33 million viewers worldwide, the Super Bowl regularly draws 100 million or more).

On a per nation basis, basketball is more popular than any English sport aside from soccer.

And your lot need a boat oar to hit 80 mph "fast balls." I already gave you the history of baseball players trying cricket, and they excel at that silly game every time, while cricket players know **** all what to do when given a bat that's much smaller than your headmaster's paddle ;)

Niche sport and only popular in one country? Hmmm, and i repeat, hmmm.

Anyway, here's a list for the terminally myopic. Read em and weep. Your snooze fests start at number 7.


rank Sport Estimated Fans Regional Popularity
1. Soccer / Association Football 3.5 Billion Europe, Africa, Asia, America.
2. Cricket 2.5 Billion Asia, Australia, UK.
3. Field Hockey 2 Billion Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia.
4. Tennis 1 Billion Europe, Asia, America.
5. Volleyball 900 Million Europe, Australia, Asia, America.
6. Table Tennis 850 Million Europe, Africa, Asia, America.
7. Baseball 500 Million America, Japan.
8. Golf 450 Million Europe, Asia, America, Canada.
=9 Basketball 400 Million America.
=9 American Football 400 Million Europe, Africa, Asia, America, Australia.
 
Niche sport and only popular in one country? Hmmm, and i repeat, hmmm.

Anyway, here's a list for the terminally myopic. Read em and weep. Your snooze fests start at number 7.


rank Sport Estimated Fans Regional Popularity
1. Soccer / Association Football 3.5 Billion Europe, Africa, Asia, America.
2. Cricket 2.5 Billion Asia, Australia, UK.
3. Field Hockey 2 Billion Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia.
4. Tennis 1 Billion Europe, Asia, America.
5. Volleyball 900 Million Europe, Australia, Asia, America.
6. Table Tennis 850 Million Europe, Africa, Asia, America.
7. Baseball 500 Million America, Japan.
8. Golf 450 Million Europe, Asia, America, Canada.
=9 Basketball 400 Million America.
=9 American Football 400 Million Europe, Africa, Asia, America, Australia.

Per nation.

Reading comprehension is key. Table tennis and cricket are inflated by being popular in countries with billions of people. Even in England, that silly boat oar game is dying, having to compete with Columbo reruns.

Sky Sports guards its viewing figures closely, but I have discovered that Saturday’s enthralling final day had a TV audience of 467,000. To put that into context, a 1974 Columbo film – shown on ITV3 at the same time as Joe Root took the winning catch – attracted just under 400,000 viewers. Friday’s Sky ratings were lower still, with only 340,000 watching.

And Volleyball and Field Hockey are participation sports for girls.

Baseball, meanwhile, is an 8 billion dollar industry. Didn't you say the higher the money involved, the more professional the sport is?

The highest paid cricketer in the IPL makes about 3 million per year. The highest paid baseball player makes 30 million.

Baseball: The only true professional bat and ball game on the planet.

You need to get better at debate. It's exceedingly easy to use your shit logic against you. Maybe if you'd leave the English bias at home, you'd learn to argue better.
 
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