Poll: How far will you travel to play in a $25,000 added 9-Ball tournament ?

[MikeJanis]

How far will you travel to play in a $25,000 added 9-Ball tournament ?

What entry fee would you be willing to pay to enter the event ?


Assume that you won a qualifier event and your choice would be to keep the prize money or put it towards the entry fee for these $25,000 events. Also, assume that your entry into the minmum $1,000 added qualifier was about $50.

Also, keep in mind that there would be 6 - 8 of these events per year and depending upon your final ranking (top 64) would be invited to participate in a televised event.


Assume its a race to 13 and its an Open event that Men and Women can play in.

Assume its winner breaks.


Assume the events are all played on 9' tables.

Assume its a 96 player event and it pays the top 32 with spots.

Assuming the total entry fee was $150
$50 table time / Registration fee. ($150 goes into the prize fund
The payouts would be:

1. $7,000
2. $4,750
3. $3,250
4. $2,500
5/6 $1,750 each
7/8 $1,250 each
9-12 $800 each
13-16 $575 each
17-24 $400 each
25-32 $300 each

Total Payout = $34,600


Assuming the total entry fee was $200
$50 table time / Registration fee. ($150 goes into the prize fund
The payouts would be:

1. $7,500
2. $5,000
3. $3,400
4. $2,500
5/6 $2,000 each
7/8 $1,500 each
9-12 $1,000 each
13-16 $700 each
17-24 $500 each
25-32 $400 each

Total Payout = $39,400


Assuming the total entry fee was $550
$50 table time / Registration fee. ($500 goes into the prize fund
The Payouts would be

1. $12,000
2. $9,000
3. $7,000
4. $5000
5-6 $3,500 each
7-8 $2,500 each
9-12 $2,000 each
13-16 $1,500 each
17-24 $1,000 each
25-32 $750 each

Total payout = $73,000


Assuming the total entry fee was $1,050.
$50 table time / Registration fee. ($1,000 goes into the prize fund
The payouts would be:

1. $20,000
2. $15,000
3. $10,500
4. $7,500
5/6 $5,000 each
7/8 $4,000 each
9-12 $3,000 each
13-16 $2,500 each
17-24 $2,000 each
25-32 $1,500 each

Total payout = $121,000

 

[hilla_hilla]

Would there be a seperate women's event as well?

 

[MikeJanis]

Would there be a seperate women's event as well?

NO. Assume it will be an open event that anyone and everyone can participate in.

 

[Gerry]

My first question is how deep would it pay? as I most likely won't win, and secondly how much is the entry?

that aside, if I can place in the top 12 and break even for the weekend I'll play. I figure on $75 for the room, $100 for food n beers, $100 for entry, $50 for gas would get me about 400 miles round trip......sooooo I'd spend about $325 and I'm in southeastern PA.

 

[MikeJanis]

My first question is how deep would it pay? as I most likely won't win, and secondly how much is the entry?

that aside, if I can place in the top 12 and break even for the weekend I'll play. I figure on $75 for the room, $100 for food n beers, $100 for entry, $50 for gas would get me about 400 miles round trip......sooooo I'd spend about $325 and I'm in southeastern PA.

See structure in 1st post

 

[MikeJanis]

My first question is how deep would it pay? as I most likely won't win, and secondly how much is the entry?

that aside, if I can place in the top 12 and break even for the weekend I'll play. I figure on $75 for the room, $100 for food n beers, $100 for entry, $50 for gas would get me about 400 miles round trip......sooooo I'd spend about $325 and I'm in southeastern PA.

Opps, duplicate post

 

[pocketspeed]

another question you should ask mr janis is how far would a fan be willing to travel to watch an event like that and how much would you expect to charge for admission or would it be free (ala joss ne tour turningstone events)? if pool is going to grow as a sport shouldnt you be almost as concerned about who is watching as who is playing?

brian

 

[MikeJanis]

another question you should ask mr janis is how far would a fan be willing to travel to watch an event like that and how much would you expect to charge for admission or would it be free (ala joss ne tour turningstone events)? if pool is going to grow as a sport shouldnt you be almost as concerned about who is watching as who is playing?

brian

1 Step at a time please.

However as a note: I have given your question much thought. Through my experience with the way things stand at this point in the game I do not expect the fans to travel very far. In fact, right now I would only assume that the fan base would start off as a local crowd. Of course the intentions would be to build that base and get them traveling farther over the years.

RE: Spectator fees. That is up in the air right now. I am considering many options ranging from $0 - $10 per day in the beginning then possibly raising it in the following years depending upon what the fan market can bare. There are way too many factors at this point to give an accurate guess. Much of it will have to do with sponsorship and venues for the events.

PS.. Watch out with the Mr. Janis thing. Everytime I hear or read it I look behind me for my Dad. LOL

Please call me Mike,

Thanks,

Mj

 

[pocketspeed]

sorry mike i didnt mean to make you think your dad was standing behind you

thanks for thinking of the fan too. if any of your tour events were closer to massachusetts i'd be there watching. i love watching great pool in person (since i cant seem to play any).

keep up the good work youre doing. the sport needs more guys like you who actually do something insteading of spending their time here on az whining about a bad state the game is in.

thanks

brian

 

[Big C]

Travel costs and atmosphere.

These are important factors. Will there be special room rates and meal discounts for players? The playing area should be non-smoking and it would be nice to have access to a chair massage.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Great question, and personally might travel 50 miles to watch such a tournment, but where I play I would not enter as I would only be contributing to a prize fund..

 

[MikeJanis]

These are important factors. Will there be special room rates and meal discounts for players? The playing area should be non-smoking and it would be nice to have access to a chair massage.

In a perfect world these would be tremendous assets for the players at events. However, at this point in time IF the system gets its funding we will explore severl different venue options and player options at each event. I'm sure the non-smoking part will be a 75% possibility and same with the discount hotel rates whenever possible. Chair massage and food discounts willl be a maybe, possibly no guarantees but sounds good.

Mj

 

[Island Drive]

My biggest concern was race length and whether it was winner or alternate breaks. I would never travel over 600 miles one way when the race was less than 9 in 9 ball, eight ball I would travel that far in a race to seven, and if it was winner breaks I would want a race to 11 on a bar table before I would travel 600, tho I would travel 600 if it were an alternate break 9 ball. That travel number is a one man, one day drive, leave early, have a good lunch, a good lunch walk it off and then make the other 1/2 of the trip after that. I would always arrive the day before the event started, preferrably 2 days before if I could.

 

[MikeJanis]

My biggest concern was race length and whether it was winner or alternate breaks. I would never travel over 600 miles one way when the race was less than 9 in 9 ball, eight ball I would travel that far in a race to seven, and if it was winner breaks I would want a race to 11 on a bar table before I would travel 600, tho I would travel 600 if it were an alternate break 9 ball. That travel number is a one man, one day drive, leave early, have a good lunch, a good lunch walk it off and then make the other 1/2 of the trip after that. I would always arrive the day before the event started, preferrably 2 days before if I could.

Assume its a race to 11 or 13 and its an Open event that Men and Women can play in.

Assume the events are all played on 9' tables.

Assume its winner breaks.

 

[MikeJanis]

Just ou of curiosity. How many players that currently play in regional tours or pr events voted on thios poll ?

Who are you ?

What state do you live in ?

What regional tour or pro events have you played in ?

 

[poolstar31]

I live in the Central Florida area. I played a few KBP tour events last year. I would drive 200 miles to the event in the poll.

My complaint with the regional tours is the prize fund being too small. I would gladly pay $100 for the entree fee instead of $50. Also tournys on a Sunday that are 2 hours away are not for me. I have to work on Monday to support my pool habit. LOL! I will be at you next Florida event Mike, I was sorry to miss the one you just had!!!

 

[ShootingArts]

jumped the gun!

Mike,

I jumped the gun, clicked on the poll before reading all of the assumptions.

Basically I am willing to put in one hard day's drive each way for big events, meaning that 700 miles or so is about the limit. Also I am willing to go out of pocket, after using half of my earlier qualifier winnings towards the big event, maybe seven or eight hundred dollars, trying to keep total out of pocket including expenses less than a thousand. Gas is a much bigger hit these days but I would assume halving that and the room with one other person.

I am not competing in big events these days but have in the past. When you pay deep everyone should at least have the hope of cashing which will get them there. At the same time the top places must pay well so there is a rapid drop off in the first few places. I actually like the pay out of a horse race and then use the Calcutta pay out to balance the top six places a bit, assuming a Calcutta at your event. Even without one, the purse needs to be heavily loaded towards the top and then a taste down deep. At least this is what seems to work from my observations over the years. Everyone wants to say they cashed, even if they didn't cover their entry fee.

Speaking of which, the basic silliness of bumping up the entry fee and paying every place seems to work. It makes for good advertising and nobody goes home empty handed.

Hu

 

[fasteddienc]

How long are you expecting one of these 96 player tournaments to last? I'm guessing 4 days. For those who work and want to give it a try I like to have an idea of what kind of time off I'd have to take to play in an event if I did qualify.

Also, I think alot of it would boil down to how the qualifier itself works. If a player were to win enough in the qualifier to pay most of the expenses then the entry fee to me would not be an issue whether it be $150 or $1050. I'm assuming that each qualifier would have several players that would qualify. Is there any additional info that you could offer up as to how the qualifier would work at this time? I know this is just a hypothetical example but I think it does hold important imformation that would tell you more as to whether players would play in the qualifiers or feel that it was worth it to them.

 

[MikeJanis]

How long are you expecting one of these 96 player tournaments to last? I'm guessing 4 days. For those who work and want to give it a try I like to have an idea of what kind of time off I'd have to take to play in an event if I did qualify.

Also, I think alot of it would boil down to how the qualifier itself works. If a player were to win enough in the qualifier to pay most of the expenses then the entry fee to me would not be an issue whether it be $150 or $1050. I'm assuming that each qualifier would have several players that would qualify. Is there any additional info that you could offer up as to how the qualifier would work at this time? I know this is just a hypothetical example but I think it does hold important information that would tell you more as to whether players would play in the qualifiers or feel that it was worth it to them.

The time frame for the 96 player event may vary depending upon the venue. All the $25K events would be posted far enough in advane for a player to make an easy decision.


Hypothetically speaking. A player can qualify on any existing regional tour that is part of the "NEW" system. I know you are a Viking Tour member so lets use that tour as an example:

All Open Viking Tour events would automatically become qualifiers. Nothing on the regional tour level would change. They would stay exactly as they are now. Now, lets say you place in the top 4 of any open Viking Tour event. at that point in time the TD (me) would ask you if you want a portion of your winnings (Lets Say $250) to go toward guaranteeing your spot in the next $25K Pro event. At that point you either pay and are qualified for the next level or you as a player choose to not participate. Its your choice.

As a note: They only way a player can get into the pro level events ($25K added evets) would be to qualify through a regional tour. There is absolutely no way you can just buy your way into the pro level events on this new system.

 

[Island Drive]

Would it be worth it to start seeding players?