Poll: How far will you travel to play in a $25,000 added 9-Ball tournament ?
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Well looks like you have been working hard at it and I like the ideas you are presenting. Good luck Wednesday. I'm sure you have a really professional presentation worked up that they won't be able to resist. I keep reading on here how other countries (Phillipines especially) are putting in place their own structures as of this week. Hopefully BCA will be willing to help out with putting something in the works for America as well.
Eddie
Eddie
Ok. according to the poll results so far it tells me this.
You guys/gals are cheap and afraid to leave your back yard..LOL
Whats up with that ?
If there were 8 of these events and 1/2 of them were 700 miles away and to establish your pro status and play on TV and World Events do you mean you would not travel to the other 1/2 of the events ?
You wouldn't pay a higher entry fee to make sure your win or place was worth it ?
Do you really want a pro tour and do you really want to be a pro or are you just voting for something to do ?
50 - 100 Miles 8 21.05%
101 - 300 Miles 13 34.21%
301 - 700 Miles 12 31.58%
701 - 1000 Miles 2 5.26%
Anwhere in the USA 3 7.89%
$50 - $150 14 36.84%
$151 - $200 12 31.58%
$201 - $300 3 7.89%
$301 - $500 4 10.53%
$1000 - $2000 1 2.63%
You guys/gals are cheap and afraid to leave your back yard..LOL
Whats up with that ?
If there were 8 of these events and 1/2 of them were 700 miles away and to establish your pro status and play on TV and World Events do you mean you would not travel to the other 1/2 of the events ?
You wouldn't pay a higher entry fee to make sure your win or place was worth it ?
Do you really want a pro tour and do you really want to be a pro or are you just voting for something to do ?
50 - 100 Miles 8 21.05%
101 - 300 Miles 13 34.21%
301 - 700 Miles 12 31.58%
701 - 1000 Miles 2 5.26%
Anwhere in the USA 3 7.89%
$50 - $150 14 36.84%
$151 - $200 12 31.58%
$201 - $300 3 7.89%
$301 - $500 4 10.53%
$1000 - $2000 1 2.63%
MikeJanis said:Ok. according to the poll results so far it tells me this.
You guys/gals are cheap and afraid to leave your back yard..LOL
Whats up with that ?
If there were 8 of these events and 1/2 of them were 700 miles away and to establish your pro status and play on TV and World Events do you mean you would not travel to the other 1/2 of the events ?
You wouldn't pay a higher entry fee to make sure your win or place was worth it ?
Do you really want a pro tour and do you really want to be a pro or are you just voting for something to do ?
50 - 100 Miles 8 21.05%
101 - 300 Miles 13 34.21%
301 - 700 Miles 12 31.58%
701 - 1000 Miles 2 5.26%
Anwhere in the USA 3 7.89%
$50 - $150 14 36.84%
$151 - $200 12 31.58%
$201 - $300 3 7.89%
$301 - $500 4 10.53%
$1000 - $2000 1 2.63%
I'll answer your last questions first....No I don't want to be a pro, I couldn't care less if there is a pro tour, and I'm voting to answer the question raised. I'd be willing to go to the 3 bigger cities that are within 3 hours of here to play (that'd be Chicago, St. Louis, and Indy). Of course, any of the smaller towns inside of 3 hours would work too. I wouldn't pay over $150 to enter, WHY??? cuz I've only paid over that once to play a round of golf, and I like golf better. But, since you said these events would be open, I would love to play. The chances that my reqirements would be met...slim, but I answered your questions.
proposal vs reality
Mike,
Bear in mind that the guys that are serious about playing the events will be much more inclined to travel and lay out entry fees with an actual existing tour that is paying out dollars. I'm always much more willing to spend somebody else's money too. If I get into the black on an event or two then adding an extra day's travel time and expense each way for later events looks much more reasonable.
You are getting honest answers from the group you targeted. If you target a group of all players that make their primary income from shooting pool I'm sure your answers would be different.
Hu
Mike,
Bear in mind that the guys that are serious about playing the events will be much more inclined to travel and lay out entry fees with an actual existing tour that is paying out dollars. I'm always much more willing to spend somebody else's money too. If I get into the black on an event or two then adding an extra day's travel time and expense each way for later events looks much more reasonable.
You are getting honest answers from the group you targeted. If you target a group of all players that make their primary income from shooting pool I'm sure your answers would be different.
Hu
MikeJanis said:
Will you be in Galesburg on Feb. 24th?
Id rather see alternate breaks, but Im not against the winner breaks format... I also like the 500$ entry fee as well if your table time is included..
SPINDOKTOR
SPINDOKTOR
I voted before reading the thread.
If these 25k added tournaments are events which can only be participated in through qualifying then it skews the poll.
It should be assumed that the majority of people who win regional tour stops would be interested in playing at a higher level event. Especially if they "qualified" for it and someone who didn't participate in any regional tours did not.
The question as posed by the poll was whether we would travel to such tournements if we could "buy" our way in. In that case, knowing that it's likely to be filled with professional caliber players, it's not likely that the average decent amateur is likely to spend the 3-700 dollars to attend a tournament where the odds are that they won't break even.
The WPBA system works because the tours do provide a platform for people to get paid and guaranteed spots in the pro events. And so consequently there are motivated amateurs and a cadre of semi-pros chasing those spots. I believe that it would be much the same for the tournaments as you have laid them out.
The only thing I don't agree with Mike is the option to put money towards the larger tournament or not. I think that each tournament should provide a paid spot and if the top player doesn't want it then it goes to the next player in line just like the WPBA regional tour's qualifier spots work right now. This insures that at least one paid spot per event is going into the WPBA coffers and allows them to plan on those spots being filled for sure.
The only thing missing from all this as I see it is the inclusion of the leagues - and I am sure you hve already thought of that aspect.
John
If these 25k added tournaments are events which can only be participated in through qualifying then it skews the poll.
It should be assumed that the majority of people who win regional tour stops would be interested in playing at a higher level event. Especially if they "qualified" for it and someone who didn't participate in any regional tours did not.
The question as posed by the poll was whether we would travel to such tournements if we could "buy" our way in. In that case, knowing that it's likely to be filled with professional caliber players, it's not likely that the average decent amateur is likely to spend the 3-700 dollars to attend a tournament where the odds are that they won't break even.
The WPBA system works because the tours do provide a platform for people to get paid and guaranteed spots in the pro events. And so consequently there are motivated amateurs and a cadre of semi-pros chasing those spots. I believe that it would be much the same for the tournaments as you have laid them out.
The only thing I don't agree with Mike is the option to put money towards the larger tournament or not. I think that each tournament should provide a paid spot and if the top player doesn't want it then it goes to the next player in line just like the WPBA regional tour's qualifier spots work right now. This insures that at least one paid spot per event is going into the WPBA coffers and allows them to plan on those spots being filled for sure.
The only thing missing from all this as I see it is the inclusion of the leagues - and I am sure you hve already thought of that aspect.
John
I voted for the 150 to 300 miles and 150 bucks but you know if I have any cash I'll drive alot further and it sounds like a great plan to me just remember to have lots of NC and SC stops.--Leonard
Bill, I can remember you going much farther than these numbers you quote.Island Drive said:
All the way up to northern Washington from southern CA. On a motocycle no less.
If most played like you used to in those days I'm sure they would also make the trip.
JB Cases said:
John, I put the players choice portion in there so it would be a players choice and there would be zero changes on any of the current regional tour systems that participate. It needs to be that way in the beginning until the proposed system gains acceptance. If a time comes that we can make changes we will try to do whatever is best for everyone. The last thing that I would want to happen is tell a small business owner (regioal tour operator/owner) that they have to change the way they currently do business with their customers. I know you wouldn't want me telling you that you only had to sell Brown cases only to be a sponsor of my tour thus eliminating your customers that want choices. Do you see my point ?
Re: the leagues.
Do you have any suggestions ?