Poll: Should Jump Shots Be Banned?

Poll: Should Jump Shots Be Banned?

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Jude Rosenstock said:
I don't think anybody is going to have a problem with jump shots. It's jump cues that stir controversy.
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Exactly, it is not the jump shot that should be made illegal, it is the jump CUE! Let people play jump shots with their playing cue if they can manage it, Earl was doing it before the jump cues came along and the jump shot prior to the jump cue was a shot that took alot of talent and wowed people like a well played masse shot. When was the last time any pro has played a masse shot? The jump shot has pretty much ruined that shot and IMO the masse shot is way cooler then watching someone pull out a gimp short cue and hop a ball just like that 8 year old in Vegas did once Robin showed him how... oh, how impressive Mr. Pro...
 
Celtic said:
Exactly, it is not the jump shot that should be made illegal, it is the jump CUE! Let people play jump shots with their playing cue if they can manage it, Earl was doing it before the jump cues came along and the jump shot prior to the jump cue was a shot that took alot of talent and wowed people like a well played masse shot. When was the last time any pro has played a masse shot? The jump shot has pretty much ruined that shot and IMO the masse shot is way cooler then watching someone pull out a gimp short cue and hop a ball just like that 8 year old in Vegas did once Robin showed him how... oh, how impressive Mr. Pro...
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Sorry to be myth busters but Earl has used a jump cue for at least 15 years. Just that his wasn't 41 inches long.

I see pros doing masse shots all the time. Is not part of being a professional having the right to choose what they feel is the right shot with the highest percentage of success?
 
I think there should be a separate poll asking whether jump cues should be banned.

There seems to be a lot of people who think that jump shots are just fine but jump cues are not.
 
That's just my opinion ...

... I also think break cues shouldn't be allowed. I understand that break cues have their advantages, and I use one sometimes. I also have a jump cue (Bunjee), 2 break cues (Keith Josey and Eddie Bishop - local) and a bunch of playing cues a Thomas Wayne is my favorite followed closely by some Joseys and a Richard Black.

But, I generally play with only one cue - the TW. As I said, that's my opinion.

There is no right or wrong on this as the rules (most of them any way) allow 3 cues - buy why limit to 3? I could see in the future, as technology improves, there "may" be "draw cues", "stun cues", etc. in addition to the "masse cues" that already exist!

Regards,
Carter "One Cue" Adams
 
I would love to see one of the polls with 4 options

Should Jump shots/cues be illegal
1)No I cant jump or am bad at it
2)No I jump very well
3)Yes I can't jump or am bad at it
4)Yes I jump very well

Most of the players I have met that want to make jumping illegal refuse to learn to jump. I have taught many players how to do it.. The principles can be taught in just a few minutes but it takes practice to do more than just clear a ball....

I taught an A player here in Knoxville just last year. He was in the "make the jump cue illegal" camp for years... Guess who owns a jump cue now and swapped camps???

Anytime someone makes a big deal about me pulling out the jump cue I have 1 basic response... Freeze me to the cueball next time....

Why should I not be able to jump when you have played a weak safe? Granted it is weak because I can jump but I am pretty sure everyone knows jumps are legal now so you played a weak safe and know it.....

I will say this... The 42" rule should be addressed instead of just banning jumps... When the rule was instated we did not have all of the hi-tech equipment that we have today... I would say make the minimum length 50".... Of course I say this because I think it will give me an advantage over lots of players that don't jump well and I will still have my advantage over the guys that play weak safeties......

I guess we all have self interest at heart when discussing what should and should not be legal.... I love the guys that want to play roll out instead of 3 foul... Quit working on flyers and learn to play safe.... Earn your advantage thru hard work and not thru changing the rules.....
 
Bomb away

CocoboloCowboy said:
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That's the way to fix things. I guess you're just going to have to be right. I mean even if you are completely wrong, I wouldn't have the balls to call you a jackass since you are threatening to blow everything up...yourself included. I'm just trying to help you out...can't blame me for trying to help a brother out.
 
carteradams said:
... I also think break cues shouldn't be allowed. I understand that break cues have their advantages, and I use one sometimes. I also have a jump cue (Bunjee), 2 break cues (Keith Josey and Eddie Bishop - local) and a bunch of playing cues a Thomas Wayne is my favorite followed closely by some Joseys and a Richard Black.

But, I generally play with only one cue - the TW. As I said, that's my opinion.

There is no right or wrong on this as the rules (most of them any way) allow 3 cues - buy why limit to 3? I could see in the future, as technology improves, there "may" be "draw cues", "stun cues", etc. in addition to the "masse cues" that already exist!

Regards,
Carter "One Cue" Adams
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You know I have actually talked to my cue maker about just this very thing.... I am thinking of taking the golf bag approach... I have the Break, Player and Jump... I am planning on adding a long jump and a masse.... I even joked that we make a set of cues that will be balanced differently for follow and draw.... I guess we can expand that to 3 of each for long medium and short shots..... That will get me to 10.... Add an earl special to eliminate the ladies aid and that takes me to 11.... Just think about all the cuemakers riding around in Bentleys if everyone follows suit.... LOL
 
Celtic said:
He was also jumping full cue long before that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8vzkWtdP8g

If you are going to try to correct someone you might want to do it with something they actually said.
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Correct. But the implication is that he always used only full cues. Using shorter cue to jump with is something that even Earl knows works which is why he uses them.

And the further point is that as good as Earl is with a full cue he is that much better with cue made for jumping.
 
Well jump cues aren't going anywhere. So. Rage against the machine all you want to. People whose livelihood depends on playing pool use them and that's that. People who know more about pool and pool players than 95% of this board looked at the issue and made the rules that have been in place for 14 years.

In that time pool has not been ruined. No epidemic of torn cloth has come about. And now there are more books about kicking systems than any other time in history. And only ONE commercial video about how to jump.

I do not know why I keep getting in these threads. If there is are two camps the mine has already won.

So keep on rocking anti jump cue people. Maybe someday you will get your wish. Meanwhile it is part of the game you can either accept to learn to master or not. I am sure that your lives will not be negatively affected no matter the outcome.

Sometimes i go and gamble with just one cue. No jump cue. Shocker huh? You know why? I like to challenge myself. And sometimes I gamble only using a jump cue.

Why? because I like to have fun when I play and sometimes that is fun.
 
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No rage, no right, no wrong, just opinion...

As I think ALL players should know the rules and use the rules to their full advantage, within the intent and as good sportsmanship allows. And, as long as the rules allow, use a "jump" cue, "break" cue, "masse" cue, and when they come along, a "draw"cue, a "stun" cue and a "follow" cue - as long as the rules allow...

BTW, I am FAR from being pro level, and seldom play anyone close - but, I smile and lick my chops, when those I do play go for their "jump" cue! Even with a "jump" cue, it takes much more practice to make the shot and control the cue ball than most are willing to put in! Again, this is just my opinion, but I feel that I come out ahead more often when my opponent jumps than when he kicks or use a masse shot...

And, FWIW - Nice Cases!


JB Cases said:
Well jump cues aren't going anywhere. So. Rage against the machine all you want to. People whose livelihood depends on playing pool use them and that's that. People who know more about pool and pool players than 95% of this board looked at the issue and made the rules that have been in place for 14 years.

In that time pool has not been ruined. No epidemic of torn cloth has come about. And now there are more books about kicking systems than any other time in history. And only ONE commercial video about how to jump.

So keep on rocking anti jump cue people. Maybe someday you will get your wish. Meanwhile it is part of the game you can either accept to learn to master or not. I am sure that your lives will not be negatively affected no matter the outcome.

Sometimes i go and gamble with just one cue. No jump cue. Shocker huh? You know why? I like to challenge myself. And sometimes I gamble only using a jump cue.

Why? because I like to have fun when I play and sometimes that is fun.
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I believe evolution should be taken in to account in everything. I there is an advance on a certain technology, it should be embraced and tested. If it proves to be inferior to the norm then so be it. And I play with a dense hard maple shaft. All natural wood. I'v played with low deflection shafts and I feel, FOR MYSELF, that those L.D. shafts make the game easier. That can be taken 2 ways. I think it takes away, but some feel it adds to. Jumping is different because of the level of ability it takes to accurately hit the cue ball with a LONG, HEAVY cue. I prefer jumping with a long cue because it is simply harder. I like Pool for the challenge so I'm willing to take any aspect of pool on. Simply, do what you want. Ill do what I want and we will have a great time playing a game with endless possibilities. EVOLUTION should be embraced.
 
Jump cues are a joke. I know guys that don't try to improve their kicking because they're good with the jump cue.
 
Slh said:
i think jump cues should be banned because its too easy to jump with them, really no skill involved in jumping with them. Note: I'm talking about jumping over a ball, i'm not saying jumping, making the ball and play position its easy, actually is pretty hard, but jumping a ball is very easy. Also I don't like the fact that jumps raise a lot your chance to get lucky safeties or fluking balls.
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ABSOLUTELY! It takes SKILL to even jump a full ball with a playing cue. That said, with some diligent practice, it can be done with regularity.

I don't have much respect for someone who, after be locked down with a nice safe, just grabs a tree trunk out of his bag and has at it.

I do take some satisfaction when the safe is perfect and a player has no other option than making a difficult kick and I get to say "jump that". Not enough to make me say I'm OK with jump cues. I am ok with jumping though.
 
donny mills said:
Jump cues are a joke. I know guys that don't try to improve their kicking because they're good with the jump cue.
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I know guys like this too. I call them suckers. They are great for my income.

Not the jump cue's fault though. A lazy player is lazy and you can't say for sure that they would be better kickers. Takes all of five minutes to learn the basics of kicking. Anyone who does not just love to practice them does not love to play pool. Has nothing to do with the jump cue. Some shots there is no kick available. What then?
 
Again, if you do not want jump cue then ban the jump shot.

Because some full cues are very easy to jump with and others are next to impossible to jump with. So when you see someone jumping with a full cue and you think wow that guy has skills I guarantee you if I were to change his cue then he would not be able to jump the same amount of shots.

So as long as some full cues are better than others for jumping then some are effectively "jump" cues.

If you ban the short jump cue then all that will happen is that cues will gravitate to the end of the spectrum which is best to ensure that they are suited fir jumping. The ads will read that such and such cue is the best "all around" cue because it jumps good among other things.

The shirt jump cue is simply no different than chalk. Chalk allows spin to be applied to the cue ball. Chalk does not apply the spin. The player does. Some people stop practicing how to play pool with just speed and center ball only because they love to spin everything. Is this chalk's fault that they are not learning to play the right way?

Does chalk give me a magical ability?

No unless I travel to a land that plays pool without chalk. Then I will be the wizard even with my bad stroke. But in this land I am just guy who uses the same equipment as everyone else and any difference between me and others depends on our respective skills.

Earl Strickland can not jump the balls with his full cue that I can with my jump cue. I mint be able to jump most of the balls he can with my full cue as well. But overall Earl is going to be more skilled and more consistent with any cue. If I hand Earl a jump cue then instantly he is going to know more and be able to do more than me. The jump cue confers no advantage over Earl. When it is his shot and he is hooked two balls away with no kick shot the he will not be able to jump it with a full cue. But with a jump cue he can and odds are that he will be more successful, more consistent, and ore accurate than I will ever be if we both use the same cue.
 
sammi sam said:
no.....
It's most excite moment to c someone jump and clear the rest balls......don't u think?

sam
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No! I saw Larry Nevel last night at the Turning Stone kick 3 rails at the 2 ball, having to avoid the 4 and 5 ball in it's path, and cut that 2 ball one diamond up the rail into the pocket. That was a lot more exciting than any jump shot has EVER been!!
 
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