Pool Campaign

JAM said:
Bottom line, with all that "egotistical/know-it-all" attitude, success was achieved.

This is *exactly* what pool needs: SUCCESS!

I don't care of the article was about Donald Duck. My point is that the structure of Obama's campaign contributed to the success of the end goal, which was the presidency.

People sometimes think pool pros are know-it-alls with big egos. Maybe that's why they can run a package on a field of green. It's all in their attitude, positive thinking, self-confidence.

In pool, whether it is Donald Duck or Barack Obama, if something can be emulated or taken away in the form of a strategy, I'm all for it. :thumbup:
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Success can take many forms. For purposes of taking over Iraq, one can say that slaughtering all his political opponents was a key to Saddam Hussein's "success".

While there were many contributions to Obama's "success", I would say a major one was the "enactment" of his Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA). In a nutshell, Obama singlehandedly (much like a dictator) set aside our national immigration law, and instructed USCIS and ICE not to enforce said immigration law against younger illegal immigrants that fit a specific set of standards that basically included 90% of illegal immigrants in America.

This policy gave them no forward-reaching legal status, it only says "We won't send you to jail or deport you....At this point in time."

This policy was put in place approximately 9 months in advance of the election. A similar timeframe applies to Obama's public support of gay marriage, which, to this point in time he has taken ZERO action towards implementing, btw....

Fast forward to the election. Obama receives overwhelming Hispanic and LGBT support. In the case of Hispanic support, all he really had to do is set aside U.S. law for his own reelection purposes, right?

Now, to bring this back around to a pool-relevant discussion... To define "success" as you have means, "the ends justifies the means", right? Now, if a poolplayer's goal is to get money, and his backer puts him in a tough game he is supposed to win, but has a possibility of losing, then if the poolplayer's goal is to get the cash, the of course, he needs to dump his backer to assure himself of getting the money, right?

To some of us JAM, doing things the RIGHT way is kind of important. For a sitting president to unilaterally set aside Federal laws for the purposes of winning his reelection campaign is the highest form of public treason.

Hey... but he WON, right?

Russ
 
ShortBusRuss said:
Success can take many forms. For purposes of taking over Iraq, one can say that slaughtering all his political opponents was a key to Saddam Hussein's "success".

While there were many contributions to Obama's "success", I would say a major one was the "enactment" of his Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA). In a nutshell, Obama singlehandedly (much like a dictator) set aside our national immigration law, and instructed USCIS and ICE not to enforce said immigration law against younger illegal immigrants that fit a specific set of standards that basically included 90% of illegal immigrants in America.

This policy gave them no forward-reaching legal status, it only says "We won't send you to jail or deport you....At this point in time."

This policy was put in place approximately 9 months in advance of the election. A similar timeframe applies to Obama's public support of gay marriage, which, to this point in time he has taken ZERO action towards implementing, btw....

Fast forward to the election. Obama recieves overwhelming Hispanic and LGBT support. Int he case of Hispanic support, all he really had to do is set aside U.S. law for his own reelection purposes, right?

Now, to bring this back around to a pool-relevant discussion... To define "success" as you have means, "the ends justifies the means", right? Now, if a poolplayer's goal is to get money, and his backer puts him in a tough game he is supposed to win, but has a possibility of losing, then if the poolplayer's goal is to get the cash, the of course, he needs to dump his backer to assure himself of getting the money, right?

To some of us JAM, doing things the RIGHT way is kind of important. For a sitting president to unilaterally set aside Federal laws for the purposes of winning his reelection campaign is the highest form of public treason.

Hey... but he WON, right?

Russ
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I really think you may be missing the point that I was trying to relay in this thread.

The strategy used, whether by Barack Obama or Donald Duck, is worth looking at for pool. Micro-targeting demographics, as an example, would be a new way to promote pool in a cost-efficient and effective manner.

A newly created pool board consisting of different facets in the pool world working together to achieve a common goal would benefit pool greatly. As it exists today, pool is not making any progress in the United States. We have no professional tour, as an example.

The point of this thread is not to engage in a political debate.
 
JAM said:
The point of this thread is not to engage in a political debate.
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Yeah well.. You're the one who mentioned that lying POS and held up his success as an example.

People are gonna respond strongly, given the example you chose.

Russ
 
ShortBusRuss said:
Yeah well.. You're the one who mentioned that lying POS and held up his success as an example.

People are gonna respond strongly, given the example you chose.

Russ
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Man, I live in D.C., the seat of the Federal Government where all the movers and shakers hang out. I don't get heated up over politics like some do. Maybe it is because I see it all the time.

I never did understand why some harbor such strong feelings.

You call him a "lying POS," and others may think he is okay. I could write something untoward about every President of the United States going all the way back to George Washington.

Right now, like it or not, he is our President. As such, I'm going to respect the Office of the President, but that's just me.
 
JAM said:
Man, I live in D.C., the seat of the Federal Government where all the movers and shakers hang out. I don't get heated up over politics like some do. Maybe it is because I see it all the time.

I never did understand why some harbor such strong feelings.

You call him a "lying POS," and others may think he is okay. I could write something untoward about every President of the United States going all the way back to George Washington.

Right now, like it or not, he is our President. As such, I'm going to respect the Office of the President, but that's just me.
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A simple quote will explain my feelings succinctly, I think....

“The wisest thing in the world is to cry out before you are hurt. It is no good to cry out after you are hurt; especially after you are mortally hurt. People talk about the impatience of the populace; but sound historians know that most tyrannies have been possible because men moved too late. it is often essential to resist a tyranny before it exists.”

― G.K. Chesterton, Eugenics and Other Evils: An Argument Against the Scientifically Organized State
 
ShortBusRuss said:
A simple quote will explain my feelings succinctly, I think....

“The wisest thing in the world is to cry out before you are hurt. It is no good to cry out after you are hurt; especially after you are mortally hurt. People talk about the impatience of the populace; but sound historians know that most tyrannies have been possible because men moved too late. it is often essential to resist a tyranny before it exists.”

― G.K. Chesterton, Eugenics and Other Evils: An Argument Against the Scientifically Organized State
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Just one more racist heard from
 
ShortBusRuss said:
A simple quote will explain my feelings succinctly, I think....

“The wisest thing in the world is to cry out before you are hurt. It is no good to cry out after you are hurt; especially after you are mortally hurt. People talk about the impatience of the populace; but sound historians know that most tyrannies have been possible because men moved too late. it is often essential to resist a tyranny before it exists.”

― G.K. Chesterton, Eugenics and Other Evils: An Argument Against the Scientifically Organized State
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Certainly no one will accuse you of not crying before you are hurt.

There are likely some straw men on the loose in NPR; might want to take your arguments there.
 
Citing IPT as a positive example, you have to remember Trudeau is a slime ball. He has been trying to fleece pool players for quite a while. Some years ago Kevin was pimping a ground floor "opportunity" for a pyramid merchandising scheme at a BCA trade show. ESPN is not interested in anything unless they get it freeeeee. Of course, its these type of snake oil peddlers that help keep pool where it is.
Big Al
 
What's the Desired End-State?

A political campaign isn't the best analogy for how to "fix pool"...in a campaign, there's one goal and only one goal that EVERYONE can agree on...that's getting their candidate elected. With a clear, simple goal, everyone can get in line and use whatever creative energy they have to get to that goal.

No one can agree on what the "endstate" for pool should be or how to get there. Nor can we expect them (us) to. Assume it's a viable tour with enough payouts to give the a pro player a reasonable living; the sponsorships make up the rest for the top tier players to make boy-band salaries. Here's the problem: pool is just TOO popular among players and not popular enough among prospective spectators/viewers to get any kind of consensus on how to get there or how it should really run. Add to that the tendancy for mismanagement and greed to screw it all up and you have what we have now. Lots of regional and mini-tours, leagues and 4-5 big annual stand-alone events. In golf, the price of entry/equipment/fees made it too difficult to get into. It was an exclusive sport that made it easy for a unified approach to building a viable tour and organization (PGA). We've got way too many people out there that can do their own thing (for their own purposes) and steal oxygen from the others. It doesn't cost much to get into playing pool, and anyone with energy and determination can build/promote a series of tournaments and call it a tour. Some of them actually do a great job at it; but they're in each others' way much of the time.

Social networking is awesome at getting information out and building interest. It may ultimately help facilitate a viable tour someday; but it won't happen from any design. There isn't a King that can proclaim a way forward for everyone to direct their energies; it is and will remain a free market where maybe the best model will survive and grow. I predict if it ever happens, one of the regional tours will rise above the others, with players voting with their feet and making it THE "tour". Eventually some body will assume the mantle of leadership and morph into a governing body that is recognized as the authority. Maybe the Europeans will build such a monster of a tour that it pulls our tours together into a true World system--but I'm not holding my breath.
 
Very interesting replies to the thread. Thanks to all who contributed. Good food for thought! :smile:
 
Advance pool

ShortBusRuss,

I'm not being argumentative here. I said
Miss Lee used pool as a stepping stone
to the success she wanted. She did not
want to use it to advance pool, but she
could have. The other pros, both male &
female, could use their fame as well to
advance pool or anything else. Until they
make the effort to advance pool it is
unlikely anyone else will follow.

Just my thoughts.
 
Are you seriously considering the idea that Pool's problem is that not enough people
are aware of the game???

It is a pipe dream to the extreme and several miles off the point.

BTW - 9:30 AM - I want your job...

Dale(who longs for the good old days)
 
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