Pool cues and teeth

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Rude Dog

<---Dumb and Dumber
I saw what the butt of a pool cue can do to someones teeth tonight and it ain't pretty. :D <-----it sure doesn't look like that when it's over. I'm a bouncer at my friends bar and this is the worst I've seen since I've been there. The guy that did the damage with the cue got sucker punched and knocked out shortly afterward and then got kicked a few times on the ground before I got to throw my first and only punch at one of the guys that kicked him. I hate to fight but it was my friend on the ground and the guy that kicked him had no business getting involved. The other guy ran away after he saw what I did to his buddy. Oh well, this didn't have anything to do with pool except for the cue knockin' out teeth but I'm wound up right now and thought I'd share it with whoever cares. If anyone ever comes through Kingman Arizona, stop by Tequila Bob's on a Monday or Wednesday night for the tournament and I'll buy ya a beer. Peace!
 
I think all of us have slapped the butt-end of our cue in our other palm at one time and thought of the damage it could do. In a way, I am really glad I didnt have to see that tonight!

So did you learn what the fight was about?
A game, women, or what else!?
 
KingCarom said:
I think all of us have slapped the butt-end of our cue in our other palm at one time and thought of the damage it could do. In a way, I am really glad I didnt have to see that tonight!

So did you learn what the fight was about?
A game, women, or what else!?
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Just guessing that they were drunk, don't really know though because my friend that got knocked out didn't even remember what happened except that his head hurt.
 
Rude Dog said:
If anyone ever comes through Kingman Arizona, stop by Tequila Bob's on a Monday or Wednesday night for the tournament and I'll buy ya a beer. Peace!
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Hmm, I am not quite sure ya sold me on the place with that story RD :p
 
Yikes, Rude Dog. Take care of yourself, first and foremost. It is admirable that you stuck up and defended you friend. I wouldn't expect anything else from you. :)

Recently, at the Carolinas Open, a young player from Florida engaged in action all night long when the tournament wasn't going on. He played Tony Ruberto from Boston who was backed by Sugar Shane and won a couple large, if memory serves me right. The last night of the tournament, this young gun agreed to play, and matched up with, Sugar Shane the backer, who can play all games. Sugar Shane wanted a shot at getting his dough back.

The young Floridian was obviously drunk, and his companion also had too much to drink, getting mouthy with a few folks, including Keith. Sugar Shane beat him for what he lost backing Tony and then some. The kid took his cigarette butt and flicked it on Sugar Shane's forehead. Sugar Shane, recognizing trouble may be brewing, went to the owner of the pool room and told him to watch out for this guy and stayed away from him. Within minutes, the drunk kid went up to the owner and made the mistake of pointing his finger at him and actually touched the owner's chest.

The bouncers flew out of the woodwork and dragged the two Floridians out in the parking lot, protecting the owner, and proceeded to kick their butts, five guys beating up two drunk kids. I didn't like the odds, even though the kids were in the wrong, and the staff would not let any patrons out to witness the beating. The police did come, and I never saw the two Floridian kids after that. I do think they were both wrong, but I do not think they should have been beaten up so badly

Moral of the story, alcohol and gambling do not mix. Most old-school players, the ones I know, would prefer to play in a pool room as opposed to a bar because of this very reason. Too many unknown variables where alcohol is served.

Rude Dog, I'm going to be talking to my two older brothers today, who now live in northern California in the wilderness (IMO). They both used to live in Kingman. I wish I had known you were from Kingman when I met you at the Open because I would have asked you if you knew them. Their last name is Kirkpatrick, Val and Ray.

Can you make it to DCC this year?

JAM
 
JAM said:
Yikes, Rude Dog. Take care of yourself, first and foremost. It is admirable that you stuck up and defended you friend. I wouldn't expect anything else from you. :)

Recently, at the Carolinas Open, a young player from Florida engaged in action all night long when the tournament wasn't going on. He played Tony Ruberto from Boston who was backed by Sugar Shane and won a couple large, if memory serves me right. The last night of the tournament, this young gun agreed to play, and matched up with, Sugar Shane the backer, who can play all games. Sugar Shane wanted a shot at getting his dough back.

The young Floridian was obviously drunk, and his companion also had too much to drink, getting mouthy with a few folks, including Keith. Sugar Shane beat him for what he lost backing Tony and then some. The kid took his cigarette butt and flicked it on Sugar Shane's forehead. Sugar Shane, recognizing trouble may be brewing, went to the owner of the pool room and told him to watch out for this guy and stayed away from him. Within minutes, the drunk kid went up to the owner and made the mistake of pointing his finger at him and actually touched the owner's chest.

The bouncers flew out of the woodwork and dragged the two Floridians out in the parking lot, protecting the owner, and proceeded to kick their butts, five guys beating up two drunk kids. I didn't like the odds, even though the kids were in the wrong, and the staff would not let any patrons out to witness the beating. The police did come, and I never saw the two Floridian kids after that. I do think they were both wrong, but I do not think they should have been beaten up so badly

Moral of the story, alcohol and gambling do not mix. Most old-school players, the ones I know, would prefer to play in a pool room as opposed to a bar because of this very reason. Too many unknown variables where alcohol is served.

Rude Dog, I'm going to be talking to my two older brothers today, who now live in northern California in the wilderness (IMO). They both used to live in Kingman. I wish I had known you were from Kingman when I met you at the Open because I would have asked you if you knew them. Their last name is Kirkpatrick, Val and Ray.

Can you make it to DCC this year?

JAM
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Howdy JAM,
Does Alcohol make people nasty?Some people are nasty to start with and with alcohol they become nastier.Cheers
 
JAM sez: <snip> the drunk kid went up to the owner and made the mistake of pointing his finger at him and actually touched the owner's chest.

The bouncers flew out of the woodwork and dragged the two Floridians out in the parking lot, protecting the owner, and proceeded to kick their butts, five guys beating up two drunk kids. I didn't like the odds, even though the kids were in the wrong, and the staff would not let any patrons out to witness the beating. The police did come, and I never saw the two Floridian kids after that. I do think they were both wrong, but I do not think they should have been beaten up so badly <snip>

The bar room rule is: NEVER touch someone, unless you want to be "touched" back. In can be interpreted as an act of violence and therefore self-defense comes into play. Lucky they were kids, as their bones break less easier. Hopefully, they learned their lessons....oh, and only chumps or cowards use pool cues for fighting (unless one's life is at stake, of course).

imho,

Jeff Livingston
 
Rude Dog said:
I saw what the butt of a pool cue can do to someones teeth tonight and it ain't pretty. :D <-----it sure doesn't look like that when it's over. I'm a bouncer at my friends bar and this is the worst I've seen since I've been there. The guy that did the damage with the cue got sucker punched and knocked out shortly afterward and then got kicked a few times on the ground before I got to throw my first and only punch at one of the guys that kicked him. I hate to fight but it was my friend on the ground and the guy that kicked him had no business getting involved. The other guy ran away after he saw what I did to his buddy. Oh well, this didn't have anything to do with pool except for the cue knockin' out teeth but I'm wound up right now and thought I'd share it with whoever cares. If anyone ever comes through Kingman Arizona, stop by Tequila Bob's on a Monday or Wednesday night for the tournament and I'll buy ya a beer. Peace!
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Tsk, tsk, tsk...Johnny, Johnny...what's a momma to do with you. And how some guys get on my case for innocent little flame wars. :D :D
Sometimes you gotta do what you just gotta do, and you were just doin' your job. :cool: At least no shots were fired........ :eek:
 
I guess anyone in law enforcement, and possibly any pool room proprietor, would know the answer to this:

Is a poolstick considered a deadly weapon under the law?

Assault and assault with a dealy weapon are two different crimes, the latter, on average, carrying a far greater prison term. Is a person attacking another with a poolstick guily of assault with a deadly weapon?
 
Much, Much BETTER than a cue stick!

I was in a bar in Tucumcari, NM one time (? '74) after a fierce 2 foot snowstorm hit as I was going through. All highways were shut down a.s.a.p. I was lucky enough to get one of the last motel rooms. Anyway, I was playing $5, 3-Ball with a bunch of locals and naturally winning all the cash. All was well until everyone involved started talking Spanish. I heard the word "Gringo" and knew that wasn't good. All the players (maybe 6) involved were sitting at a table about 12 feet from the pool table and decided to rush me with their sticks in hand. I was racking the balls and did the only thing I could think to do! I started to throw the balls (one at a time) as hard as I could at the oncoming players. Aiming at the chest, arms & head. It was no contest! After throwing about 10 of the balls, 3 of them were unconscious and 2 of them were in no shape to continue! The one left standing said - "No Mas"! It was the only time I had ever heard that until the Sugar Ray vs. Duran fight. I knew right away what he was saying.

Another time in Anaheim, CA I was winning at a $20 ring game. This was a titty bar and had a lot of bikers in it. I had just spent the whole day at Disneyland by myself and was very young (maybe 20) and definitely not very smart or experienced yet.
One of the bigger guys comes up to me and puts his arm over my shoulders and says he wants his $ back. I knew if I didn't take a stand right then & there, I would regret it later. With my right hand I felt around the pool table until I located a pool ball. I picked it up and (with a round house right) smacked the left side of his head. It open up like a cantaloupe would if you hit it with a tack hammer. THAT WAS IT! - No more trouble but I didn't waist any time leaving. My next stop was Las Vegas.

The moral of the story is -
"GIVE ME THE BALLS (pun intended) & A LITTLE DISTANCE AND YOU CAN HAVE THE STICK"!

TY & GL
 
sjm said:
Is a poolstick considered a deadly weapon under the law?

Is a person attacking another with a poolstick guily of assault with a deadly weapon?
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Wouldn't a test have to be administered to the assailant first to determine if they're incapable of anything else other than a powder puff break? :confused:
 
JAM said:
Rude Dog, I'm going to be talking to my two older brothers today, who now live in northern California in the wilderness (IMO). They both used to live in Kingman. I wish I had known you were from Kingman when I met you at the Open because I would have asked you if you knew them. Their last name is Kirkpatrick, Val and Ray.

Can you make it to DCC this year?

JAM
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Hi Jam, my bank roll once again says I ain't goin' nowhere. :( If it cost a nickel to get around the world, I couldn't make it to the corner. Also, I'm not from Kingman, I just moved here 2 years ago today. I'm from L.A., born and raised and I can't wait to get back there. As far as the fight last night goes, I don't know who was in the wrong in the because I only saw the results. I work the door and this happened inside and I didn't get involved until it came to the patio and it was about 20 on 3, me being 1 of the 3. I drink, get drunk occasionally, but I do my best to stay out of trouble. Wish I could say the same for the rest when I'm baby-sitting. LOL. Oh, that story about the 2 kids is unfortunate, they didn't deserve a beating. That's one thing I can say about the guys I work with, we don't WANT trouble, we try to get it out the door A.S.A.P. If someone puts their hands on me, it's my judgment call to determine if I need to do anything. 2 weeks ago one of my coworkers was pushed while holding a guy and they both went into a stack of 3 speakers and fell to the floor. I could have knocked the guy out that pushed him but I just grabbed him and got him out the door. The owner of the place thanked me later for that because he saw it and knew I did the right thing. My coworker also thanked me for getting in the middle because the 2 other guys that worked with us that night were busy with the rest of the crowd, about 30 on 2. Jeez, I'm rambling again, still pumped up I guess. Peace to you JAM, John.
 
OldHasBeen said:
I was in a bar

The moral of the story is -
"GIVE ME THE BALLS (pun intended) & A LITTLE DISTANCE AND YOU CAN HAVE THE STICK"!

TY & GL
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Hi Old Timer,
One time,as I was told, my buddy from Ashland,Kentucky was attacked by another guy with a cue Ball.After few seconds my buddy recuperated from the pain and then decked the other guy down with a single Jab. One time (1987) a chinese gang killed a guy with pool balls in a pool Hall in Grenich Villege in NewYork city.After that I changed my venue.cheers
vagabond
 
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I once saw a gang of bikers who were eating at a sidewalk cafe get taunted by a 5' 3" black kid who was walking by. Though he was small, he was all muscle. The Bikers eventually had enough and chased the kid into a pool room (mine) where they proceeded to grab balls, sticks and anything else that they could find to thow at this kid, eventually pinning him down on the ground in a corner and continuing to pelt him and also beat him with at least one chain. My friend's $400 cue was picked up and broken over this kids body. I thought he was gonna be dead when the smoke cleared

The cops sirened up outside pretty fast and the bikers started streaming out of the pool room-There was at least 25 of them, maybe 40 and it took them a couple of minutes just to get out the one door.

The cops had no idea what was going on, didnt know what to do, and were severely outnumbered and clearly intimidated by the bikers who proceeded to walk back to the restaurant no more than 75 feet away.

Don't you know 5 seconds after the last biker came out, the black kid pops out, his body full of gashes from the chain mostly i think, shirt gone and starts yellin at the retreating bikers that "you aint shit you buncha pussy mother f....s, come on back here I'll knock the crap out you scumbags etc" til the cops finally quieted him down.

The cops didnt witness anything inside the PR, so there were no arrests. The bikers were told to leave town. A friend of mine from the PR knew the kid and said the kid was "no joke" and that he would have easily taken any of the bikers one on one.

It remains in the top 3 for amazing things i have witnessed to date. Last i heard the black kid was in jail. (Surprise, surprise!)
 
NO but believe it or not, the Pool Room owner bought the guy a new stick! It was the right thing to do but i doubt too many owners would have done it, would they?
 
OldHasBeen said:
I was in a bar in Tucumcari, NM one time (? '74) after a fierce 2 foot snowstorm hit as I was going through. All highways were shut down a.s.a.p. I was lucky enough to get one of the last motel rooms. Anyway, I was playing $5, 3-Ball with a bunch of locals and naturally winning all the cash. All was well until everyone involved started talking Spanish. I heard the word "Gringo" and knew that wasn't good. All the players (maybe 6) involved were sitting at a table about 12 feet from the pool table and decided to rush me with their sticks in hand. I was racking the balls and did the only thing I could think to do! I started to throw the balls (one at a time) as hard as I could at the oncoming players. Aiming at the chest, arms & head. It was no contest! After throwing about 10 of the balls, 3 of them were unconscious and 2 of them were in no shape to continue! The one left standing said - "No Mas"! It was the only time I had ever heard that until the Sugar Ray vs. Duran fight. I knew right away what he was saying.

Another time in Anaheim, CA I was winning at a $20 ring game. This was a titty bar and had a lot of bikers in it. I had just spent the whole day at Disneyland by myself and was very young (maybe 20) and definitely not very smart or experienced yet.
One of the bigger guys comes up to me and puts his arm over my shoulders and says he wants his $ back. I knew if I didn't take a stand right then & there, I would regret it later. With my right hand I felt around the pool table until I located a pool ball. I picked it up and (with a round house right) smacked the left side of his head. It open up like a cantaloupe would if you hit it with a tack hammer. THAT WAS IT! - No more trouble but I didn't waist any time leaving. My next stop was Las Vegas.

The moral of the story is -
"GIVE ME THE BALLS (pun intended) & A LITTLE DISTANCE AND YOU CAN HAVE THE STICK"!

TY & GL
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Does kryptonite affect you~!.........you always win the cash.......knocked 3 men unconscious.........beat up bikers in CA~~!!, of all places.......and of course they let yoyu leave alive!.....uh huh~!
 
Even Harder To Believe!

I was in San Deigo at the local Hells Angels HQ way back when. I put up my quarter and when my turn came up and I was racking the balls, this guy asked me IF I WAS A POOL HUSTLER? I quess it was instinct that told me to say - "Yes, and a damn good one".
The fellow said "OK" and I played for $5 & $10 a game for about 2.5 hours. Never lost a game and when I was finished, There was about 7 beers lined up on the bar. All bought for me by the Bikers. The only thing they wanted to know was If they could take me to some bars & stake me.
TY & GL
 
OldHasBeen said:
I was in a bar in Tucumcari, NM one time (? '74) after a fierce 2 foot snowstorm hit as I was going through. All highways were shut down a.s.a.p. I was lucky enough to get one of the last motel rooms. Anyway, I was playing $5, 3-Ball with a bunch of locals and naturally winning all the cash. All was well until everyone involved started talking Spanish. I heard the word "Gringo" and knew that wasn't good. All the players (maybe 6) involved were sitting at a table about 12 feet from the pool table and decided to rush me with their sticks in hand. I was racking the balls and did the only thing I could think to do! I started to throw the balls (one at a time) as hard as I could at the oncoming players. Aiming at the chest, arms & head. It was no contest! After throwing about 10 of the balls, 3 of them were unconscious and 2 of them were in no shape to continue! The one left standing said - "No Mas"! It was the only time I had ever heard that until the Sugar Ray vs. Duran fight. I knew right away what he was saying.

Another time in Anaheim, CA I was winning at a $20 ring game. This was a titty bar and had a lot of bikers in it. I had just spent the whole day at Disneyland by myself and was very young (maybe 20) and definitely not very smart or experienced yet.
One of the bigger guys comes up to me and puts his arm over my shoulders and says he wants his $ back. I knew if I didn't take a stand right then & there, I would regret it later. With my right hand I felt around the pool table until I located a pool ball. I picked it up and (with a round house right) smacked the left side of his head. It open up like a cantaloupe would if you hit it with a tack hammer. THAT WAS IT! - No more trouble but I didn't waist any time leaving. My next stop was Las Vegas.

The moral of the story is -
"GIVE ME THE BALLS (pun intended) & A LITTLE DISTANCE AND YOU CAN HAVE THE STICK"!

TY & GL
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well that was one of the reasons i quit gambling pool :)
 
the reasons i quit gambline pool have nothing to do with me getting beat up or losing. but one of the reasons is so i dont have to have my teeth meet the but end of a shon or a no name cue in the future.lol not to mention the talk and drama that comes with it aint worth it.:)
 
That Was Then - This Is Now!

All the good & bad things that happened to me were in the long ago past. ALL trouble came from playing cheap. I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY TROUBLE WHEN PLAYING OR HUSTLEING ANOTHER QUALITY PLAYER!
TY & GL
 
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